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Sony announces the PS5 Pro with a larger GPU, advanced ray tracing, and AI upscaling (www.theverge.com)

submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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$700, and the side by sides look barely different, from my perspective. The chat seemed to have the same opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If consoles want to remain relevant in the age of the gaming PC, they have to try harder than being locked-down gaming PCs.

Free and simple multiplayer, subsidised hardware, and physical game ownership were staples of most consoles for years but now the urge to turn every device into an "everything machine" has kneecapped the very purpose of these devices.

At best, these are slightly less hassle and slightly more social than a gaming PC. At worst, they're as anti-social and user-hostile without the cost benefit that once made them genuinely preferable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Sony will try to drag this thing out at least one more generation. If that goes like this one--and it has room to actually go worse--then Sony will have to make some hard decisions.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Sony’s problems are twofold:

They are charging an absurd amount of money for a game console
They are selling a game console that has practically no first party games for it.

If they had plenty of the latter, they could weather this. But there are still games releasing for the PS4, and they have had 1, maybe 2 PS5 releases that would qualify as first party this year (that don’t bubble down to PC).

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

I love the price. At $700 it's just what I needed to convince my friend who was holding out for the pro to move on to PC. $700 buys a pretty decent AMD card nowadays. Shit for $800 we're talking decent refurbished gaming PCs.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The side-by-sides are definitely diminished returns compared to earlier gens where hardware bumps had very noticeable gains.

I am sure the performance is measurably better than the base PS5, but I don't think it's $200-plus-separate-disc-drive better.

I also found the game choices they used for some of these comparisons to be odd picks. Sure you have "Made for PS5" exclusives like the new Ratchet and Clank, Returnal, and Spider-Man 2, but they also heavily showcased:

The Last of Us Part 2
God of War: Ragnarok
Ghost of Tsushima
Horizon: Forbidden West
Control

All of those are last-gen games that received PS5 enhancements. Being on a base PS5, I already feel like I am getting the "better" experience compared to the default for those games, so why upgrade?

[–] Cethin 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, as a PC gamer, there's a bunch of settings you can turn on from "last Gen" games to make them look better. Just because they ran on those machines doesn't mean you were getting the best version. If you're playing on console you're never getting the best version. This newer one can just turn on more settings and a higher resolution and framerate than the previous ones. I wish they'd let players decide what settings they want themselves, but sadly that's not happening on console anytime soon I don't think.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Chasing the "best version" is a fool's errand, though. Unless you're buying top-of-the-line hardware every cycle, you'll never have the best. And even then, there are games that seem to target future hardware by having settings so high not even top-end PCs can max them out comfortably, and other games that are just so badly optimized they'll randomly decide they hate some feature of your setup and tank the performance, too.

Everyone has their threshold for what looks good enough, and they upgrade when they reach that point. I used my last PC for 10 years before finally upgrading to a newer build, and I'm hoping to use my current one as long as well.

But just based on the displayed difference in performance between the base PS5 and the PS5 Pro, it doesn't seem like a good investment for what benefits you get. It's like paying Apple prices for marginally better hardware, and with overpriced ~~wheels~~ disc drive sold separately.

[–] Cethin 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

For sure, trying to max out everything is a bad idea. You can always have from FPS and higher resolution, for example. My point is just that "last Gen" doesn't mean anything. The previous console versions couldn't max the games out if they had graphics options. The game being older doesn't mean it doesn't take advantage of more advanced setting with better hardware.

I think chasing high graphics settings in general is a dumb idea. My favorite games are low fidelity indie games that do interesting things (right now Ostranauts, but also Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, and so many others). The games that max out my hardware are generally worse games. If you're selling your game based on graphics then you aren't selling it based on gameplay. I know console players generally seem to care about "realistic" graphics more, but it's a fool's errand.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I already feel like a chump for getting the PS5. There's hardly any games for it. Hell, there are some games I can't play on it. I can't imagine what's changed so drastically in the last couple years to even be worth an upgrade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What can't you play?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Some of the transfered PS3 games (Katamari was one I remember). The Tomb Raider Puzzle game glitches (doesn't on the PS4), and it seems any game that uses an app (tried to play a trivia game with the family and it didn't work until we went to the PS4).

Not anything life or death, big named stuff works fine, but it's just annoying to have to go back to the PS4 to have things play right.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Why not go PC at this point. Modern consoles are locked pre-built PCs and paying $700 for a locked system is crazy.

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[–] therealjcdenton 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Awesome, I can pay $700 to play Bloodborne in 30 fps

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

No no they're going to make Bloodbore 30th anniversary re-release PS5 Pro Exclusive with 45 fps

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

At the beginning of this generation, I planned to buy a used PS5 when the Pro version was coming. I did not know that the PS5 would have almost no games for me (especially because they released the big ones for me on PC), the base PS5 would cost even more, and most people will not upgrade to the Pro because of its absurd pricing (note because it’s not worth it, but because the market for it is likely very niche).

I guess I will just skip Sony’s platform for this generation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

I don’t see the point in this. I’m already planning to get a PC (and a Radeon 7900 XTX will always outperform a PS5), so it’s just more money for no benefit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's a pity SONY didn't have any games to announce alongside the new console. There is nothing or there I feel like I need more power to play, and I already completed games they demoed, sometimes years ago.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Absolutely agree with this statement. They seem to have no pipeline for keeping up with this console lifecycle.

As the owner of a Series X and PS5, they're just streaming boxes that I occasionally use to play stuff that won't run under Proton.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

SEVEN HUNDRED US DOLLARS!

Sony costumers need to remind them of the PS3.

[–] altima_neo 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

IT'S RIDGE RACER! RIIIDGE RACER! Remember that one?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I hope that series comes back someday.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MApTG1wapJA&si=6CIbRLjbfUwV29IT

Great video showing the difference of the two

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

I do feel for Sony's PR teams. Trying to explain the concept of visual improvements in 4K over Youtube's increasingly vaseline-smeared compression is an impossible task.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What do I do with my PS5 discs if I buy the Pro one day? Are they just unusable? Will I be able to get a digital copy for free since I already paid them for the disc they stopped supporting?

It seems like there's no sane migration path from PS5 with disc drive to the PS5 Pro.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

There's an external drive accessory you can buy from them for about $80.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I personally find it pretty horrendously insulting they put out a "Pro" console that can't play the fucking game discs unless you pay them for an additional accessory.

[–] Cethin 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not a console gamer, but I'm sure they looked at the statistics and saw most players don't buy a physical disk anyway. Why make the machine more expensive for an accessory that probably isn't being used. On my computer I haven't had a physical disk drive in probably 15y and haven't ever thought that I needed one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Well, sure, but that's also because on PC I can choose to buy DRM-free games and have guaranteed backwards compatibility for the foreseeable future. Plus it's not a closed system based on a console that launched with a drive. People (me included) already own PS5 discs, not from a previous generation, but from this one. It's bad enough that I need to keep my PS3 around to play PS3 games, it'd be absurd to not be able to play PS5 games I already own because the thing is physically unable to ingest them out of the box.

So yeah, for people in that position the Pro is a hundred bucks more expensive than it says on the sticker, which is already a ridiculously high number.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Oh, ok then. Guess who didn't read the article. :-)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't know if It turns out that I was stupid for not buying the original PS5 or holding out for a Pro one even from back then.

I was looking forward to this a lot because I could get the better version from day 1 and have a lot of games to play from taking and borrowing my brother's disc games.

I guess I'll get the XBSX for GTA VI when it comes.

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