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[–] [email protected] 185 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And I guarantee that billionaire Larry Ellison blithely believes that he'll be exempt - that all of this surveillance will just be used against the little people. And he's almost certainly right.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He will be exempt. The areas that he lives in and the things that he does will not be tagged as "criminal" on the data system that he has the contract to administer.

That's always how these systems work. You don't worry about getting dragged into the Saudi Consulate and bonesawed to death by intelligence officers when you're MBS, because you're the boss and the guy getting bonesawed is your employee.

For the same reason, you don't worry about getting spied on when you're the one who owns and operates the big surveillance infrastructure because it exists for your benefit.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

Just look at Musk to see someone whose wealth entirely excuses his behavior. It ain’t hypothetical in the slightest.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Owner of Cloud company that sells AI services tells governments that AI-powered surveillance is good.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

governments and surveillance, name a more iconic pair

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Corporations and surveillance?

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings. - Ursula K Le Guin

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Pass it on...

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He’s voicing what every billionaire and government official already thinks. Call me pessimist but I believe it’s unavoidable. VPNs are seen as “tools to overcome government bans to access illegal websites” in so many countries, hence getting banned. Access to mainstream websites also getting harder and harder when on VPN. People hosting Tor exit nodes are living in fear of police raids.

Even with some little amount of privacy protecting measures, websites start to act strangely or do not work, and the amount of websites like this increases every day. As protecting our privacy becomes a bigger and bigger effort, more people will give up, strengthening the arguments against it. Eventually we’ll hit big brother levels.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Eventually we’ll hit big brother levels.

As someone who was born before the age of surveillance capitalism, I can tell you we've hit that level a long time ago. Anybody who thinks society has been running normally for at least the past 15 years is too young to have known what a normal society is.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I2P could be a solid option over TOR then, no?

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago

Maybe billionaires should be filmed and streamed continuously, since their behavior has such a big impact on the world. If they don't like it maybe we shouldn't allow them to control such incredible assets. I'm sure billionaires have nothing sketchy to hide, right? What we will see is probably how they are hard working people who are not at all detached from normal folks. Right?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago

Fuck you Larry.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

By "citizens" he means poor people, naturally, and by "best behaviour" he means obedience to authority.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

And by authority he means himself.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The first XKCD that comes to mind

Ellision sounds like the kind of guy that wants an unstoppable army of robot swarms.

Representative Jamie Raskin recently brought up the term neo-monarchy.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“Citizens” 🙄 Not every person is a citizen; I’ve got a pet peeve about this.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I have been hating this man's guts since the mid 90's and somehow it never lets off. Most hateful people manage to become a little bit more likeable as they age. Even this disgusting piece of human refuse Bill Gates might pass for a somewhat okay human being if you wilfully overlook why he truly does philanthropy.

But Larry Ellison? Hell no. He never changes. he's just consistently the worst year after year, decade after decade.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So the Panopticon. The hypothetical prison that even people in the 1800s thought would be a human rights violation to build because it was such an extreme form of psychological torture.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Well, we already experience that psychological torture. After 2002/2003, and then especially after 2012, this concept has already burdened our everyday behavior. Browsing behavior, phone calls, texts, emails…every single way we communicate, even face to face meetings with phones in our pockets are open to surveillance. And it’s been shown that it’s been used. Over a decade ago, thanks to Snowden. Now? Things have surely gotten worse and I would bet the farm on behavior very much having changed due these facts.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This dude can shove that stupid boat up his ass

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lmg, he'll be exempt from this surveillance along with all his rich ass-hole buddies

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Subjugating the working class majority is literally the whole point of establishing a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

billionaires who talk like this should immediately be committed. he's clearly far gone, just fucking take him away.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

My best behavior is to be on Larry Ellison's front yard with pitchforks burning torches and guillotines.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

But they're will be no cameras in his torture dungeon, of course.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

what he really means is he can make a ton of money out of it

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What he really means is the rich can prevent uprisings against them before they have a chance to start.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Dude is crying for a guillotine. Someone tell this asshole movies aren't real life events. lmao

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Private jets . They’ve all got multiple front yards & none of us can afford pitchforks But small aeroplanes, those are weak. & these parasites just looove em

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

"[Stupid rich person shit]"

--Larry Ellison, soon to be major shareholder of Paramount

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Thank you all for these comments, they have made another horrible piece of news a bit less horrible (by knowing people are apaled by this shit).

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

And a fueled bottle can keep billionaires in check.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ay they took capitalism so far it wrapped around into orwellian territory.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

1984 was written in 1948, after fascists had already demonstrated that capitalism is quite compatible with totalitarianism.

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[–] therealjcdenton 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Who defines what best behavior is?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, Larry obviously.

Coincidentally, Larry will not be under surveillance.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

in bad country the ruling class uses AI scoring system to ensure the compliance of the workers

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So glad we live in good country where the ruling class are benevolent and would never do that to us.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those are not citizens. This is not a democracy.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You need to pretend you live in a democracy or the administrators will take away the illusion.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"We're going to have supervision," Ellison said. "Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there's a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on."

And if we entertained the idea that this was true and the core focus of this idea (it's not) what do we think the chances are that the "appropriate person" will be one of two things:

  1. Another cop

  2. A subscription service digital surveillance company with that cop as a client that they report back to for "internal investigation", as long as the bill is paid.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Larry "privacy is dead, get over it" Ellison.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

In other words, lack of accountability leads to bad behaviour. He might be onto something there…

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Ok, let’s do a test run on you

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