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Amber Nicole Thurman's death from an infection in 2022 is believed to be the first confirmed maternal fatality linked to post-Roe bans.

Reproductive justice advocates have been warning for more than two years that the end of Roe v. Wade would lead to surge in maternal mortality among patients denied abortion care---and that the increase was likely to be greatest among low-income women of color. Now, a new report by ProPublica has uncovered the first such verified death. A 28-year-old medical assistant and Black single mother in Georgia died from a severe infection after a hospital delayed a routine medical procedure that had been outlawed under that state's six-week abortion ban.

Amber Nicole Thurman's death, in August 2022, was officially deemed "preventable" by a state committee tasked with reviewing pregnancy-related deaths. Thurman's case is the first time a preventable abortion-related death has come to public attention since the Supreme Court overturned Roe, ProPublica's Kavitha Surana reported.

Now, “we actually have the substantiated proof of something we already knew—that abortion bans kill people,” said Mini Timmaraju, president of the abortion-rights group Reproductive Freedom for All, during a call with media. “It cannot go on.”

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

This may be the first confirmed case, but it's probably not a good idea to make it the poster case for pro-choice. Let's look at the facts:

  • She was pregnant with twins, and wanted an abortion.
  • She couldn't legally do it in her home state Georgia, so she had to travel to North Carolina and get abortion pills there.
  • A few days later, when she was already back home, she started to suffer from severe complications.
  • The doctors in Georgia could not legally perform the procedure that could have saved her life - a surgical removal of what remained of the fetus - because it was to close to abortion.

The article says the clinic in North Carolina could have performed that procedure, but does not state why she was not brought there. Maybe her condition was too bad for the long travel? Maybe she was evacuated to the nearest hospital (a decision which does, generally, make a lot of sense) which could not have signed her away for an illegal (by Georgian law) operation outstate? Maybe it was medically and legally possible to drive/fly her there, but it was too expensive for her? Either way - it is clear that the ban on abortions in Georgia (made possible "thanks" to the Roe vs Wade overruling) is the direct reason why she could not get the treatment which could have save her life.

BUT!

The pro-life camp can easily pin this on the abortion pills, claiming that a nation-wide abortion bad would have prevented her from receiving them and therefore would have prevented her death (and the aborted twins' death. They won't forget to include that)

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Well, what the fuck did everyone think would happen?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

This is what everyone thought would happen. Both sides thought this would happen, one side wants it to happen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

this. this was the point.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Worth pointing out that she died in August of 2022* - not long after Roe v Wade was overturned. Apparently it took a while for the hoops to be jumped through to officially call this a preventable death.

So it's very, very likely that many women have died as well.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m sure that was a typo and you meant 2022.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

Cause of death; infection, conservatism

[–] [email protected] 131 points 2 days ago (19 children)

A lot of pro-birth people argue "obviously things are different if the mother's life is in danger", but that ignores that there's often nothing obvious or definite about the line between "safe" and dangerous. Doctors are erring on the side of caution to avoid potential lawsuits and even jail time, and this is the result. People bleeding out in parking lots, suffering irreversible damage to their body, and people dying.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Prior to the ban, politicians said that they feared doctors would use the “she’s in danger wink wink” defense and made it very very hard to use that defense, and as a result it’s very very hard for women to get the care they need.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

Well I guess they get dead women now.

There needs to be a group of lawyers out there with spines of steel to take on a class action lawsuit(or several) to sue the fuck out of each of the states and politicians who pushed these anti-woman laws through and they resulted in women dying or being injured by healthcare being withheld... as mandated by the laws.

These soulless pieces of shit only understand money, getting sued into the ground should get their fucking attention. I'd prefer jailtime, but Donald Dump shows republican shitheads don't go to jail, so I say class action lawsuit time.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I've seen pro-life folks argue that but they frame it like... "the law is fine and it's a failure of the doctors not being willing to understand the law which led to deaths" and they'll also follow that up by saying that even if women die, they're saving more lives by preventing abortions so it's a net positive.

I find it difficult to argue against that perspective. That is, I disagree with them but also it's hard to argue when they frame abortions as basically murder.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I've seen pro-life folks

Those people are NOT pro-life. They're anti-abortion. It would be much better to use the correct term instead of pandering to the idea that it is about saving lives.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
  1. Do we want doctors to also be lawyers? Spend all their time reading and interpreting laws and studying case precident on every little scenario? There's a reason why these are two separate and highly trained professions. We have a healthcare problem and we want doctors to spend their time doctoring, not lawyering. Also, it's never so clear on the medical side anyway, these are judgement calls. So it will go to court and review and all that stuff. The prosecution can always find one doctor to say it wasn't necessary.

  2. This is the old is fetus life.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

And conservatives laughing.

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[–] [email protected] 179 points 2 days ago (19 children)
[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It has never been "pro-life" or about saving the lives of "children". This has always been about controlling women.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

Fascists don't just lie, they invert the truth precisely.

Trickle-down economics, for example, was pitched as "a rising tide lifts all boats", when in reality trickle down economics is the exact opposite of that. A rising tide lifting all boats would be the poorest person getting money until they have as much money as the second poorest person, then those two getting money until they have as much money as the third poorest person, and so on. Lying, reality-inverting fascists got up on a stage--in front of people-- and said that process was the same as giving the people with the most money even more money.

In a way it's brilliant, because it's so brazenly and bafflingly stupid that it acts like an EMP for logical thought. Which they know, and intentionally utilize. The most important skill a fascist has to have is the ability to make people stupid enough to vote for them. What better way than to go for the jugular and assault reality itself?

With an incessant anti-reality static, courtesy of your fox newses and heritage foundations, reality offers no obstacle at all.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Stop using “prolife” as a term.

It frames their stance positively, call it what it is: “anti-choice”

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Republicans "saving" lives again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

punch the first person to suggest this was an unintended consequence of these laws.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago

When will a responsible politician be tried for murder? I know - never. But they should be. Because this shit is premeditated and with malicious, despicable intent.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I bet that's far from the only case, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Just the first confirmed, and it's from 2022. Her original appointment was the exact same day the local law went into effect.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Working as designed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

this is a self defense situation now

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Your body, their choice.

Just look at what pharma had gotten away with over the last four years. "Undergo this medical procedure or kiss your civil liberties goodbye!"

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