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If Reddit were to revert it's changes to 3rd party apps would you stay on Lemmy or move back to Reddit?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn't the first break. Big social is having problems, it's the natural course of things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is a great point!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For me, they'd have to

  1. Replace /u/spez
  2. Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
  3. Open-source significant parts of their platform.

I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Not recently... I'm just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.

Of course, there will be people who just don't care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don't care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don't moderate any subreddits, and don't follow the Internet news.

I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Link? That's not good news :/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I haven't seen any new news compared to yesterday in spez's AMA. Nothing in regards to him responding to the forthcoming blackout (which is currently 3800+ / 6625 subs)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wouldn't care. The irreversable damage is done.

Reddit's handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO's AMA pretty much ignored all API change criticism (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo's developer threatening them.... They've shown their real colours.

I don't want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else now. I used Reddit for over a decade and they've eradicated my trust in a few days. Even if they reverse the decision, it'd be a PR move to temporarily save their sinking reputation. They clearly don't care about moderators, users or anyone who actually makes Resdit the place it is (whilst begrudgenly adding bare minimum app exceptions for blind users becsuse they legally have to).

Its a shame, but at the same time I'm excited to see where things go from here. Reddit's always had a bit of a quality control problem due to sheer size. Maybe the mass exodus will lead to an alternative community discussion platform with a smaller, more refined, engaged userbase.

I'm actually excited to see where things go from here to be honest. Maybe Reddit will become a home of pointless content like memes whilst deeper discussion happens elsewhere. Maybe that'd be better, actually.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally, I don't see myself going back. I'll just chill with my new community here.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I already like the community here more

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

They've already posted that they're going to "double down" on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I've fully committed to replacing reddit in my life, I'm trying to be active here and pointing people to Lemmy when I can. Reddit has made it clear they dont care about users. they get content for free, moderation for free, etc. They pissed on their base and deserve a mass exodus. I just hope people follow through.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I don't think I'll go back except for niche content/communities I don't expect to see here for a while.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It wouldn't matter at all, because it's just a matter of time before they implement such features and don't back down.

They'll just continue shit-testing us until the blowback isn't enormous if they go this route.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don't go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say "oopsie." It don't work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Well said - my patience ran out about 6 or 7 "mistakes" ago. I'm never going back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

For me at this point I think Steve Huffman would need to step down along with a step back of their changes. I can't trust the platform given his track record.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't trust Reddit any more. I made a comment elsewhere about why.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my “social media”

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I haven’t been a daily Reddit user for a long time, if Apollo stayed active and useable I’d keep it loaded on my phone but I’m into the vibe on lemmy and want to be part of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I honestly think most people would go back just out of habit. Even if they don’t go back, once things calm down. I’d absolutely love people to move to fedi, but I just don’t think it’s gonna happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I prefer the smaller crowd here. Reddit just feels like a mall these days. Between all the bullshit, tencent, ads and assholes, I’m not looking back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'd go back. I notice the bot content has gotten bad on Reddit, but the communities I follow are still okay.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's not really about the API and third party apps anymore. Arguably never has been. This is really about the IPO, and the clear signal that Reddit has every intention of making your experience worse if that means they can squeeze more $$$ out of you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I’ve been looking for an alternative for a while now, and am quite sure I’ve found it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Nothing could convince me to go back, we need decentralization.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

use both lemmy and reddit

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fully support all the reasons for ditching Reddit altogether, but if I can’t use Apollo, I’ll only ever use it on desktop, and even then just to look stuff up via Google.

Installed Mlem and have committed to making this place a good one.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll use both then. reddit is still unparalleled for support, simply because of its sheer size

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