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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago

This is falsch. No true German would be upset to be asked to pass judgement on someone or complete paperwork.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Germans no doubt have a single compound word for Annoyed-I-Am-Asked-To-Be.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

No.

But at least for work references, we are legally not allowed to say negative things about an employee, which is kind of bonkers.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It just creates a very specific language of what is mentioned and how emphatically things are expressed and how things are formulated.

We wish him all the best in his future endeavors: he sucks

We wish him continued success in his career: he was a good employee.

We all regret his decision to leave and look forward to maybe work with him in the future: he was an outstanding employee.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

...or it could mean anything else. You don't know which secret code book the author used or if there even was a screening process.

In essence, references are meaningless. They don't contain any useful information.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, in Germany there is a very specific code.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

No, there is not. There literally can't be, because if a "code" would be underhanded criticism, it would be illegal. Simple as that.

So you end up with a bunch of people trying to interpret the codes from both sides, but if they use the same interpretation is impossible to tell.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

The code is not written anywhere so good luck suing your employer for "wishing you all the best in your future endeavors".

Example one: https://www.betriebsrat.de/news/achtung-arbeitszeugnis-20424?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoPvXq8HjiAMVbJRQBh0XOS9bEAAYAiAAEgKk1PD_BwE

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

there was/is a code and the law also adapted to that lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Contributes to improving the working atmosphere with their sociability: they get drunk at work

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I'm in the States. My wife was trying to get a new job. Her current job was veeery specific on what they could say. Nothing subjective. Mostly limited to things like attendance and punctuality.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

This is because the whole calling and writing to references everytime you look for a new job is not a thing in Germany.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Danish: I can confirm