This won't end well for anyone. What the fuck man.
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I like Joe Biden in every other respect, but what the hell is up with this hard-on for Israel? Is it purely AIPAC and the Jewish-American vote, or is there some other calculus going into all this? I expected better, but they're just rubber-stamping anything and everything that Israel wants to do, no matter how fucked up.
I think this is just the hill he's decided to die on. Zion uber alles or some ideological shit like that.
Well, he is pretty old. Hammered in guilt and fervour for Israel due to being born during and growing up shortly after WWII?
It wouldn't be the first time Israel engaged in compromat. Either that or he's completely blind to what's going on.
I have never supported Zionism and never will. However, I don't think most people truly understand how important Israel is to the US as a strategic ally. It's not some elaborate conspiracy, they're just a key aspect of US hegemony.
Can you elaborate on how and why Israel is such an important ally? It's got to be more than just a foothold in the region, surely?
In terms of weapons and cyber security israel is one of the top nations. Their weapons are 'battlefield tested' ( on innocent Palestinians), and their cybersecurity is pretty strong. In addition to that, they will always do what the US says, should the US abandon them they will immediately turn to another country to support them, now this country has top us technology.
Also they have nukes, so you must keep the country safe and stable. If Israel is invaded by the surrounding countries, suddenly Egypt has nukes, and will no longer need to rely so heavily on us support.
Illegal nukes, and technology developed with US money and in partnership with the US.
I guess your argument amounts to a sunk cost argument.
Not really, nukes and military tech don't just disappear. I'm not for Israel, but there's a reason it's not as clear cut as people pretend it is
That is the definition of the sunk cost fallacy.
Because they oppose Iran. Same reason why we provided weapons to Iraq.
Israel offers no strategic advantage to the U.S. The U.S. has extensive military presence in the region without their land. The U.S. does not have a significant or unique trade relationship with Israel (we mostly just trade diamonds). And Israel offers no special capability to the U.S. regarding technology or foreign intelligence.
Our relationship with Israel is based on two things: mythology and political donations. That's it. That's all it has ever been. Conservatives (including neo-libs) who receive money from Israel occasionally make up fake reasons, but those reasons always disintegrate under the lightest scrutiny.
It's time to end our extremely one-sided relationship with Israel. This is a deadly, toxic relationship that destabilizes our more profitable relationships with Israel's neighbors in the middle east.
Dude's a Christian Zionist.
Dude's a Christian Zionist.
I actually doubt that. Zionism is usually an Evangelical Protestant trait, this notion that we need to force prophecy to be true isn’t associated with Catholicism.
I realize that from the outside all flavors of any given religion look pretty similar, but there is a stark difference between your average Catholic and your average Evangelical. And between various flavors of Protestantism, some of which are far more similar to Catholicism than they are to the more “Evangelical” Southern Baptists, Pentecostals, or non-denominational megachurches.
Point is, I would be shocked to find that Zionism is a religious belief for J’Biden. It’s far more likely that his position regarding Israel is more rooted in realpolitik support for one’s allies at any cost, which is also reprehensible.
Israel is the closest thing to a modern democracy with progressive western style values in the entire region. Israel has a multitude of diverse cultures and ethnicities integrated into its society, and has a vastly better stance on equal rights for women, lgbt, and ethnic minorities, than any of its neighbors.
Probably also has something to do with all of the other countries in the area being client states of Russia/Iran/China.
Fun fact. It is illegal in most cases to marry outside your culture in Israel. Basically illegal to race mix, though more complicated than that. Also Israel does not recognize gay marriage. I don't care if Lebanon has worse rules. We don't call an apartheid state valid for being at 1900 Jim Crow standards .
Perhaps they should have left Western style Manifest Destiny in the past.
Calling Israel aligned with Western values is a pretty big self own
They said it's the closest in the region.
Which of its neighbors is more closely aligned with Western values?
No it's accurate: apartheid settler colonial state genociding the native population and bringing war to the middle east.
Not something to flex about though on either side.
You name your favorite country, and I'll tell you why they shouldn't flex either.
Oh ok nvm then carry on Israel
Everyone makes mistakes, all mistakes are fine!
Most agreed that the conflict, while fragile, could offer an opportunity to reduce Iran’s influence in Lebanon and the region.
Iran influence is based on "Israel" actions. No Genocide, No aggression, means no one would need Iran. The same in Iraq and other regions. Which makes me question the statement unless these people are really stupid.
Shades of "if we just keep indiscriminately bombing in the vicinity of where we think terrorists are, we'll certainly reduce the influence of terrorist organizations among the populace".
Surely it's worth a nearly infinite number of (Arab) lives and residential buildings to kill one Hezbollah leader. After all, they're super-terrorist masterminds without which no one could think of setting off a bomb or firing unguided rockets into Israel.
Not to mention that this is exactly how you create more terrorists (and Bibi knows this)
Out of curiosity, is there a way to find out how many Americans have been killed by Hezbollah and hamas vs Israel?
All of those numbers are teeny tiny in comparison to the number of Americans killed by America.
Are you denying Israel has the right to start World War III due to its half century of barbaric apartheid occupation and abuse of the Palestinian people?
Annihilating your neighbors because they refuse to bow down to your genocidal regime is self defense!
fuck genocde-joe and may he burn eternally in hell
They did not quietly support it, when you learn to look for their actions instead of their words.
That land is owed to Israel, it’s not an invasion and you’re an antisemite, or whatever Reddit said
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