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[–] [email protected] 179 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure this is in response to a recent California bill that forces digital storefronts to disclose if it is a license you are getting. Otherwise the storefront is not allowed to use words like “buy” or “purchase”.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24254922/california-digital-purchase-disclosure-law-ab-2426

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (2 children)

10/10 law can we please get this in Canada too?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Better yet, can we just get a law that makes it so when we buy something we own it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I mean that's what the California law is.

If you buy it you own it, but we aren't buying the games.

A law that says they have to let us buy it instead of license it would be nice though.

[–] Blisterexe 4 points 1 month ago

At least for steam it looks like it might be rolled out worldwide

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

If there's an offline game you love and play all the time, consider buying it again on GOG.com.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Soon, GOG and all other storefronts will state that you're purchasing a temporary digital license for any game who's publisher uses an EULA that states you don't own the game. This is due to the recently signed California law that forces storefronts to be transparent about the publishers EULA.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24254922/california-digital-purchase-disclosure-law-ab-2426

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

But also with GOG you can download the installers and play offline. It's literally one of their big selling points. It's less convenient than things like steam, but you can do whatever the hell you want when you buy it. So in that regard, it literally is a purchase. Or as close as you can get with digital goods.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Depends on the game, they still sell DRM games which are limited in being able to be downloaded freely

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

you can do whatever the hell you want when you buy it

Mmm, not quite.

And I point that out because Lemmy is a very FOSS-friendly place where that sentiment is actually true.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But GoG provides it DRM free, so you can always play what you've downloaded til the end of time. It's as good as piracy in that way.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's not GOG works. Get your offline installers.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (7 children)

On a legal level, it is how GOG works. They still only sell licenses. You just have the loophole that their installers and the games installed by them will work regardless.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If I back up a DRM-free installer what's the difference?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Legally, it's still a license, it's just effectively impossible to revoke.

Edit to expand on this: A truly offline forever-purchase of physical goods can be re-sold. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine (this is the US-specific version, other jurisdictions may have similar doctrines).

American legal concept that limits the rights of an intellectual property owner to control resale of products embodying its intellectual property.

A digital "purchase" is usually non-transferable, even from GOG. It can't be removed from your own HDD once you download the installer, but there are still restrictions attached on what you can do with it, even if those are limited and hard to enforce.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just like any game ever sold on a CD.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Technically, probably yes, but you can buy old, opened games on eBay. I doubt you can do the same with GOG games. Digital media is much harder if not impossible to resell.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

If you back up the folder of a steam installed game that doesn't need steam to run, what's the difference?

Owning the copy in a legal sense doesn't affect most of the userbase tbh.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

unless you keep the offline installers.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I mean at that point you can just make backups of your steam games too. A lot work straight from the exe and for the rest there are steam simulators.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Well, gentlemen. I guess we got this all sorted out. Not a big deal, after all.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

I would say, if you’ve purchased, just get a free version.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Nah fuck all that, you own the game already. You pirate it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also don’t forget to download the offline installers from GOG. I spent all of last week doing that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is there a nice FOSS utility to do that? I need to do a backup of my GOG library.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I did find a few on GitHub, but the one I tried had an error after a few downloads, so I just manually got them all.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

If only there was a Girl who was Fit that could, I don't know, Repack this situation, thus saving us from it...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Hey thanks for describing this hypothetical situation, I pay Steam for a lot of game licenses so I've lost touch with the current philosophy of hypothetical alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Instructions unclear, looking up Wii Fit Trainer on e621

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago

Thanks, new California law!

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The answer is to introduce law which would force digital products to be owned, not licenced for non commercial users.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I think the answer was to introduce a law which would force digital market places to clearly describe what users are paying for, for folks who weren't around during the controversial time when Steam and Xbox Live Arcade came out and can't grasp the concept; folks who didn't observe the reality before and after this shift.

Even though it was abundantly clear already, this is what the California law is all about.

If, with this clear explanation, you still want to merely get a license to use games via a service, you should be able to do it.

Valve isn't doing anything wrong: far from it. Steam is awesome and I understand that one day, it could all go away and with it, all the games I have access to.

I also understand that, at any time, Valve may decide that they don't want me to use Steam anymore, or that someone may hack into my account and I won't have access anymore.

Finally, I get that even now, things that I could do with physical games; I can't do with my Steam library (eg. Easily play a game on my Steam Deck while someone also plays another game on my desktop, or sell a game disc that sits on my desk).

I understood this when I reluctantly signed up to Steam to play Half Life 2 back in the day when it was a complete dumpster fire of a buggy mess of a service. But it has improved so much since then.

Hey, do you, but I don't see what the big deal is. We've already protested that Steam was a bad idea, and Valve was literally the devil, but it's actually turned out to be objectively more convenient than any alternative to play games, and it's no longer Valve forcing us to install Steam to play their games. Practically the entire industry has shifted, plus there are now alternatives (besides piracy) like GoG. Hopefully this law causes more competition in that DRM free space.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hey, at least they're clearing the air a little bit

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Isn't this only because it's soon to be legally required in California? I don't think they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

The amount of comments on social media that I saw of people surprised by this means this really wasn't something the average person knew about, it's natural to think if you paid for digital content it should've the same rights of physical. Though reselling will get messy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

"EA, play the license".

We all know here that you don't own anything on Steam or any other client with DRM. Duh...

B this shit should be illegal, I buy a product, game, license whatever you call it, it is mine. This farce of consumer protection... "do you understand the words coming out of my mouth!?....License!!'. Yeah we do, let us own our purchased games.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the game is FOSS, does this warning still show? 🤔

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

And that's why the bulk of my game library comes from GOG, and I have Steam more out of commitment than taste.

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