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[–] [email protected] 155 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Tesla, founded by the billionaire CEO Elon Musk, has frequently faced scrutiny over safety issues.

That is incorrect

[–] stoy 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is legally correct, but factually incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Legally how? Was Musk on the original state registration?

[–] stoy 55 points 1 week ago (3 children)

He sued for the title and won.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I’m too petty to be a reporter, every time I’d write: “musk, who retroactively won the right to be considered a founder of Tesla in court, …”

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

It'd also be technically true to say "Elon Musk, CEO and self-proclaimed founder of Tesla..."

[–] stoy 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"X, formerly known as Twitter"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Twitter, now known to some as X, ...

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is this the company where he paid a sum of money to the real founder or founders to be called the founder?
Or was that another company?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Correct on the first part, I don't know if he did it for other companies as well.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks! So he's the $$$paidtobecalledafounderlikeastupididiot$$$ of this company.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

And it worked. That's the worst part. This article and others call him the founder.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

What a shot what a shot what a shot

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It was Saturday evening around 10pm, three restaurant employees went into one of the client car to "try it out", the client (65 years old) was clearly speeding, lost control of the vehicle, left the road and hit a traffic sign.

My bet is that all of that has nothing to do with the fact that this was a Tesla, the only difference is the fire but this is the same for every electric vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

i wonder if they were unable to open the doors for some non-tesla related reason such as death

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah but nobody will click a headline like 'person killed in car crash after speeding and hitting a traffic sign'

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you have a source?

None of the articles that I checked this morning had that info.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Hmmm I wonder if a vehicle filled with flammable explodey-gas who just drove over 2 metal signs at high speed would be on fire as well? Would it have gotten the attention that this vehicle had, given that ICE cars burn many times more often than EV's do.

It is a tragedy and should be investigated but these articles have to get off the "It's new so it's bad" bandwagon until the investigators come in. It could have been a flat tire at high speeds that sent the car onto that shoulder and over those signs. There is uneven wear on the tires so on the outside of Regenerative Breaking EV's tires look almost new on the outside but trashed on the inside. If it blew because of that, or some nail on the road then there is no fault on Tesla and the man-boy who runs it. If however say steering went or the airbag randomly went off when the car was at speed my least favourite Martian and Tesla would be culpable.

Until then turn the sensationalism on your stories down to 11.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I'm a fan of EVs, but Tesla lacks ~~security~~ safety and I'm not a fan of it.

It's too complicated to leave the car when power is off for example.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Yep. That's my issue. It's not the fire, it's that it's really hard to get out in a disaster.

The Tesla could just have easily killed four if it crashed into water.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If I recall correctly, the manual override for the electric inner door handle is hidden under some panel. Major lawsuit material if you ask me, and irresponsible by the certifying authorities,

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

no, it wouldn't. Because the car is not filled with aerosolized explodey-gas, but just flammable liquid contained in a robust tank. it is not explosive. It can catch fire, but not simply from impact. You'd need a hole in the tank lower than the current fuel level and an external ignition source. Even if you shoot the gas tank directly, it will not explode. It is physically impossible for it to explode.

Puncture one of an electric car's cells, and it sets off a chain reaction. The whole car very quickly goes up in flames.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A hit car engine is an external ignition source, and gas cars go up in flames daily in the us

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If Musk can remote disable the car, can he remote lock the doors and have it speed up?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago

Can a malicious actor remotely do stuff with your thing you connected to the internet?

Yes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

He'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he can.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If elon can change the breaking for Full Self Driving, he can disable brakes. I wouldn't be surprised to learn if some people figure out how to backdoor a Tesla and disable breaks. Companies are horrible at securing data and with elons fire 50% of employees mentality I wouldn't be surprised if the cybersecurity people get overworked/mess up one day

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

"Brakes", please.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And if he can, who else can?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

His password is probably “god”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

I'm halfway through rewatching Demolition Man as of yesterday evening. Simon Phoenix blew up the capacitance gel in a car using one of the cop's electrical night sticks. I can only assume that Musk is now going to unfreeze John Spartan to deal with these crimes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Pretty much all forms of vehicle transport is unsafe. This is why electric cars should be thought of as: good but not ideal.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

This is true, yeah. He bought the title of founder.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ooooo sorry, you waived your right to a trail by jury in the EULA you signed.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Not in the EU you didn't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So the assumption is that they could not exit the vehicle?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I guess the question has so be raised how four people died in a car that didn't roll over.

The good thing is that Tesla has the records and will release them without issues...

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