A truly pragmatic take away

Yeah, I'm wondering if I can pre-order

You made me snort into my whiskey glass

I like the way you think! finishes beer and grabs another

Farming pigs in ultra tiny spaces with horrible conditions where some of them die before getting brutally slaughtered to have cheap meat which is not necessary for human nutrition anymore, just tasty - totally fine

Farming pigs and treating them very well so that they grow healthy organs for terminally sick humans to then kill them in a controlled and anesthesized setting - how dare you

This is and will always be small potatoes in terms of the suffering we put relatively intelligent animals through every day.

We would need to slaughter probably 100,000 animals yearly for the US organ demand (at ~50,000 transplants per year and a buffer).

We slaughter 125 MILLION pigs in the US for consumption a year.

Not to mention that "medical grade" pigs will probably be given a golden ticket in terms of care until they are slaughtered, compared to the extremely abysmal environment millions live in today.

If animal welfare is important to you, scientific research is a poor use of advocating resources while we still eat hundreds of pounds of meat yearly. If advocates reduce meat consumption by even a percent or two it would generally greatly outweigh banning animal based research entirely.

Animal testing isn’t ideal but for important medical advances, animal testing is the only way to demonstrate safety before human trials. At some point, you have to value the life of a human more than mice.

And some of the testing is fun. Like when they give them a buzzer to get more drugs. Lab rats definitely consent to more cocaine.

I mean, you're probably not the only one who thinks anything.

That said, do you eat meat? If so, the meat and dairy industries systematically do egregious things to millions of animals every day.

We are, but being a part of the ecosystem doesn't really mean much. Ecosystems aren't obligations, authorities, sources of morality or subject to it. They're just systems of relationships between organisms in a particular place. Whatever humans do, as long as it involves other organisms, that is our role in the local ecosystem. If we start doing something else, we aren't forgetting our role in the ecosystem, no role was ever assigned to us, our "role" is merely descriptive of what impact we have.

Living people is more important than dead animals.

Plus, every new kidney comes with a side of bacon. How can you resist a deal like that?

Those are sadly not organs.

Weird take, it's like you're conflating acceptable losses and apathy.

Scientists would use human embryos, if given the ability to. Unfortunately there are people who believe that life happens the moment a man injects his baby batter into a woman's love tunnel.

These are why people kill animals for this, not because they "don't give a shit about animals".