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This is really interesting stuff, found it on Hacker News. It's like WINE, but for Android <-> Linux: https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer/

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Does anyone know if this is the same way Sober is running the port of Roblox?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

How is ATL's architecture different than Waydroid's?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (7 children)

Wow this is awesome! Waydroid is insecure (outdated, rootful container), slow in development and only sandboxed on Fedora.

But that they take Newpipe... which is notoriously broken as Youtube tries to block everything...

Other apps are

  • OSMAnd~
  • OrganicMaps
  • Grayjay
  • Jerboa, Fedilab, Pixeldroid
  • Amethyst, Voyage

Those are really unique on Android

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I've been using FreeTube on desktop and it has worked great (with VPN)

[–] [email protected] 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm using NewPipe daily and it doesn't seem broken at all?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I use a VPN with NewPipe, no problems. I'm using the NewPipe repo for the app

[–] [email protected] 1 points 43 minutes ago

Ditto here. NewPipe + VPN works fine on my tablet I use as a YouTube machine. The only problems have been when YT messes with stuff to try to block them, and then NewPipe will have it fixed usually within a day. And that doesn't happen as often as people think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Newpipe works perfectly fine with only small issues sometimes. OrganicMaps is available on flathub

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The OrganicMaps for "regular" Linux is very different from the Android app though. Completely different UI tech (Qt vs native Android widgets) and lacks important things like turn-by-turn navigation.

[–] red 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

in what situation would you need turn by turn navigation on Linux???

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

For a linux phone

[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

it's worth noting that no actual security problems have been presented that haven't been dealt with, Sandboxing is available on any distro assuming the tools are made availible. Waydroid supports both apparmor and selinux, please report any security issues and tag the maintainers when doing so.

EDIT: you do need to set apparmor into enforce mode manually though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Interesting, so the Android SELinux sandbox can work with Apparmor?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I went from newpipe to tubular since it comes with sponsorblock, but iirc the backend is the same.

No VPN or anything, it works great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yes with no VPN it will work easier

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

It's most likely watching Youtube with your VPN that's broken then, not NewPipe. Youtube implemented Captchas for IPs that generate a lot of traffic/a lot of people are using. That's how they are trying to kill frontends like invidious that proxy the requests. NewPipe by default uses your own IP so it doesn't have that problem. If you use a VPN IP that a lot of others are using too, you'll get that same problem though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Which version of Newpipe are you using? You'll want to use their latest release repository rather than the 'stable' one, that seems to make it work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I get the Nightly from Github

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Oh, hmmm, no idea then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

hey! don't be mean like that to my baby...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I wonder how does it work? New pipe is originally a portarit application for Android.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Newpipe works great on tablets too, a lot of Android apps have a landscape mode

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

It translates the Android API to Linux desktop-compatible calls, just like Wine does for Windows apps.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

This is great. This gives me hope for Linux mobile 🙏🏽

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They really shot themselves in the foot by going straight to phones.

The better way would have been to work on tablets first and working out all the bugs on larger devices with a limited feature set before moving into phones with the attendant issues of regional cell bands and restrictions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

tablets (especially ones that could be flashed with Linux, i.e. not iPads) are way less common than smartphones, so you get fewer devices to choose from for testing, fewer users who can run it, report bugs, and support the project, and less interest in general.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago

The hardware isn't so much of a problem as there are companies who can make or source compatible tablets like the PineTab2 and the PineNote.

It's making the software compatible with a lower power mobile device and learning what needs to fixed.

It would have been much easier to deal with getting a tablet up and running before dealing with getting a mobile device functional.

Making the small steps from laptop to tablet then to phone would have saved them a lot of grief and software mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting concept, if it gets good enough I hope ubuntu touch adopts this because I'm not a big fan of waydroid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's still really basic, but has loads of potential, Unforunately it has a hard requirement on GTK, otherwise there are a few things that would have been nice for greater AX86 in general, for instance they have mediacodec->vaapi support, something ax86 has... struggled with in the past. but we can't use it since we can't use gtk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Ubuntu Touch can't use GTK? Why not?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

[Genuine] Okay, why when Freetube exists though?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This is not about Newpipe itself but more that fact that this is an Android app ran on desktop Linux, without any containers like Waydroid does. This is like Wine, but for Android apps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Thanks for explaining!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

People who are used to NewPipe can use it

Also this is more of a testament to Android on Linux rather than NewPipe on Linux

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

FreeTube doesn't always have 4k. I don't remember which format, but a video has to be a certain format to show as 4k. Majority of videos that are shot in 4k show as only 1080p on FreeTube. I welcome new pipe to linux and will actually be using it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Well, good news the newest update to Freetube now adds 4K+ support since they changed the library used to get the videos or something. I have tested it and the video says 4K and seems to be that. Feel free to correct me if you try the latest update and find any discrepancies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It has indeed been fixed, and I love it. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Yay! Sure, we are happy to help!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

That'd be great then. Will be checking soon. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

really buggy on fedora kinoite

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Well yes, it's still early days and very much WIP. But the fact it works at all is amazing and shows what can be done with more work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

feel you, brother

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't work on my Arch (btw) and Fedora

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

Someone on HN earlier today mentioned they would fix the Arch issues

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago