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Cooking with any plastic is a dubious enterprise, because heat encourages potentially harmful plastic compounds to migrate out of the polymers and potentially into the food. But, as Andrew Turner, a biochemist at the University of Plymouth recently told me, black plastic is particularly crucial to avoid.

In 2018, Turner published one of the earliest papers positing that black plastic products were likely regularly being made from recycled electronic waste. The clue was the plastic’s concerning levels of flame retardants. In some cases, the mix of chemicals matched the profile of those commonly found in computer and television housing, many of which are treated with flame retardants to prevent them from catching fire.

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

flame removedants

facepalm. Censorship absurdity.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 month ago (4 children)

That is your instance doing a shitty job of filtering.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Whaaaaat the fuck?

I had no fucking idea of this. I've been seen "removed" used more and more on the last months and I just thought people speak weird online nowadays.

My lemmy.lm instance has been censoring content that I see without me knowing it?

Fuck this shit, I'm going to look for another instance right now. One that treats me like an adult who wants to see what other people type so I can decide MYSELF if someone is an asshole for using certain language

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah it’s stupid

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's probably your instance. It shows up normally for me.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Like when I type ******* it just shows up as stars to you, but I see my password?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

lol, that's lemmy.ml for you

Looks fine from sh.itjust.works

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Plastic and food shouldn't mix.

We fucked up real bad. Gonna be a long road to fix this shit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The new thing is PFAS in the food chain. We're fucking it up faster than we're fixing it. Almost like profit motivation was a bad idea.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

As they say - plastic is stored in the balls.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Food and two different metals at once (that also touch each other) shouldn't either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyrj-CYC5I8

Basically, electrochemistry happens and the metal breaks down, seeping into the food. This is problematic for aluminum.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Food should never touch anything artificial. If it hasn't been levitating since the day it was hand harvested from old growth forest, it's basically pure poison.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I yeet my food so high it stays in the air/orbit just long enough before I plan to eat it. Sometimes, it hits wild geese on the way up and they get cooked during reentry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is very specific since he even build up a little rice tower pressing up against the foil.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Well, you need wet food, metal and another metal all touching each other for this to happen. I've seen my sister make the mistake IRL so it certainly does.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I had this happen when I made a tomato-based dish in a cast iron pan, covered it with foil, and then stored it in the fridge. The aluminum was electroplated to the top of the food, and the pan had iron pits in the bottom.

Yes, I know I was bad for doing that to a cast iron pan. I was young and foolish.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Sous vide has entered the chat.. with keurig knocking on the door

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also, if you have a cast iron pan that is extremely rusted, get a brass bristle drill attachment and blast all the rust off with it.

After you have finished that and cleaned it, season it like the other poster mentioned and it will be as smooth as almost any Teflon you've ever used.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Geez, I hope people aren’t out there using rusted cast iron. That’s beyond ignorant.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

I have found cast iron pans in the trash that were trashed because they were Rusty. Cleaning them, de-rusting them, and reseasoning them was enough to put them back into service and they are some of my favorite cast iron.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I’m ignorant. Tell me what’s the problem with rust? I thought iron oxide is a fairly stable compound.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Do yourself a favour and start using proper cast iron or stainless steel frying pans as well. You gotta learn how to use them, but it's a whole different level. I'm never going back to non-stick.

To get started with a new pan:

  1. Pour a bit of oil in it
  2. Dry it ALL up with a paper towel
  3. Heat up to high temperature, let cool.
  4. Repeat three times or so. This creates a coating of hardened oil.

~~Never, ever, wash with soap. If you do by accident, repeat the above process to coat the pan again.~~ (just don't scrub too violently with soap - I'm being outdated with my advice here)

When cooking:

  1. Heat up pan
  2. Add oil
  3. Add things into pan only when hot
  4. Use water or wine to deglaze when things get a little stuck. That's where you get deliciousness from - it's a feature, not a bug.

I use an old cast iron that's a bit rugged in the bottom for pancakes. It's the most amazing thing ever. I found it in the trash one day. The cast iron allows me to use a steel spatula when it needs to be thin, otherwise I use wood.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You can wash these pans with soap, you just shouldn’t abrade them. Soap isn’t going to remove the molecular bonding unless you’re scrubbing the hell out of it.

Also, Teflon’s a no go but I was under the impression ceramic is ok. Is anything wrong with that coating for cooking?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Ceramic loses its' non-stick properties quite fast, cause the coating gets micro-cracked.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm on year four of using a ceramic pan to cook scrambled eggs in butter at least 4 days a week and it is still pretty slick.

Is it other foods like acidic tomato sauces that mess with the coating?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Your coating might be ok for you still, while still having lost a lot of its' non-stickiness.

Usually, you can fry eggs on non-stick pans without butter (even if butter is delicious): can you sill do that?

It's usually not a chemical reaction like what's happening with acidic foods on the coating of a cast iron/carbon steel pan. Ceramics is quite brittle, so mechanical shocks can create micro cracks, which are hard to see but make food stick.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A new cast iron pan should be washed with soap and water. They’re usually coated with something you don’t want to be eating to keep them from rusting from the factory to your home. You scrub that off and then season it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Huh, good to know - I've only ever used old ones. They always clean off pretty easy with just water and a firm dish brush.

After Googling a bit, it turns out dish soaps were much more powerful in the past, which is why old people always say not to use dish soap in a pan. Newer soaps are generally milder and won't damage the seasoning. It never occurred to me to question it. Thanks!

I'll probably keep going without soap though, but it's nice to know I can be a little less fanatic about it. :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I wash my cast iron with dish soap after every use and I can still slide eggs around in the pan. Definitely agree, though. I only have 1 non-stick pan that I almost never use. Stainless steel and cast iron are really the only 2 types that you need

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yay for being overly cautious after the BPA thing and deciding to avoid plastic as much as possible and strictly avoiding it when dealing with high heat.

Though I still wonder about the chemicals used to treat/seal wooden utensils.

It is kinda funny coming back full circle, because as a kid I thought the wooden spoons we had were relics of the past and preferred the smooth plastic ones.

Now I prefer the wooden ones, stains, cracks, and all. Just limit how long you soak them for when doing dishes.

On that note, I've found that most dishes only need to soak for a minute or less before they are easier to clean. And if you rinse them before anything dries, you probably won't even need to soak at all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

You can apply food-grade mineral oil aka cutting board oil to your wooden implements and that will help keep them from drying out and cracking. Also works on cutting boards, of course.

[–] padge 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's a thing? Definitely going to look into this

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yep! I use mineral oil on my kuksa too, works great and is inexpensive. Just make sure you use food grade.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do they make wooden thin spatulas?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

No, but they do make them in metal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Would silicone be a safe alternative?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

This destroys my ceramic coated pans sadly. I have wood utensils except for a couple plastic spatulas specifically for flipping eggs because the wood ones aren't thin enough to not destroy them.

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