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After giving in to Putin/Xi's demands to not provide starlink internet service over Taiwan, DOD officials are growing nervous about trusting Elon's Space company with our national secrets

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 hour ago

You want to trust him after what happened in Ukraine? Are you out of your mind? And he's admitted that he chats with Putin on a regular basis.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

why the hell would you be?

What even is the DOD/DOJ doing here?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago

Just outsource DOD too, they basically work for their main sponsors anyway.

/s

[–] [email protected] 102 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Aw man, if only there was some sort of space administration that you could invest some of your trillions of dollars into so that your satellites could be launched by a group that you can monitor and trust.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, everything in the US must be privatized. EVERYTHING. Capitalism DEMANDS it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

To be fair here... The old guard still aren't working on reuse even after SpaceX not only championed it but actually succeeded and proved reliability.

The old launch providers are still just throwing their shit away and still cost billions of dollars for launches.

The Commercial Resupply Service and Commercial Crew Programs have also achieved better standards than NASA had when they started them, and at much cheaper cost than the previous solutions.

Privatisation isn't inherently bad, and importantly, the money is still being handled through NASA for oversight.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 minutes ago

I bet if you offered them grant money to develop it... it wouldn't have been left on the table.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 37 minutes ago

the money is still being handled through NASA for oversight.

Oversight of the money is far from the problem here. This is not an issue of cheating the government or mismanagement of money, this is a national security issue.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Apply the same standards the rest of us have to meet, revoke his fucking security clearance already! Same for the racist criminal spray painted orange Cheeto, too. This is completely obvious.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

IIRC, you're supposed to report when you've had significant contact with Canadians and this motherfucker is talking with Vladimir Putin himself. I can't imagine he reported that to whoever his clearance is with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago

When I had my clearance, we were told if we had a conversation with a foreign national at a bar, we had to disclose it, even after we had already received our clearance.

I was put through a multi-hour polygraph interview from hell, where I was told I didn't know how to breathe and was threatened with being failed and losing my clearance, because I was having issues remembering online foreign penpals from high school.

But motherfucker is talking to Putin on the regularly, and he's a billionaire with billions worth of government contracts? Tell me again, US Government, why any of your citizens should give a fuck about anything, again?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

In what would be an unprecedented move, the US needs to nationalize SpaceX in the name of national security.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

It's not unprecedented, though.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 hours ago

They don’t need to go that far. Just force Musk to divest. (And prosecute him for any crimes he’s committed, but that might be asking too much of the government.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

No, not everything needs to be nationalized. That's a lazy excuse to solving problems and often just leads to different issues. Look at the fights we have for NASA's current miniscule budget slice for a perfect example. Our government is dog shit at allocating and running departments like this, primarily because of politics.

Remember that neither NASA or the military actually build anything themselves, everything is outsourced to companies like SpaceX, Lockheed, Boeing, etc. So you're advocating all of that to be brought into the government bureaucracy machine with no existing infrastructure to manage it, for it to be smothered to death by politicians trying to "prove" that government doesn't work.

Instead, they just need to demand that Elon not have any decision making position at the company to continue getting contracts, blacklist him. As it is, daily SpaceX operations run without Elon. Gwynne Shotwell actually runs the company, regardless of specific titles. Elon doesn't actually do the engineering work either, so while he may be involved in major decisions, it's more the overall vision, the company would operate just fine whether he's there or not. HE is the problem, not SpaceX as a company, and not the entire C-Suite team, just him. Get rid of him and the place runs just like it does now, works towards the same goals, and daily operations and contracts continue as normal,

[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago (1 children)

No, not everything needs to be nationalized.

Good thing no one said everything, just a rocket company that NASA wouldn't need to outsource to anymore since they would have the facilities to make all the rockets they wanted themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago (1 children)

Problem is that if SpaceX becomes part of NASA, then it'll be like the space shuttle. It'll need parts made by every small company that contributed to some random representative in every state, so we'll end up with 300+ contractors all building critical components.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago

Why can't it source those things the same way SpaceX does now?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

they wouldn't need to take SpaceX. just replace Musk's ownership/control with Some Advisory Board™️staffed by project managers that know the fuck they're doing. SpaceX wouldn't necessarily need to be closed- just a change in ownership.

Granted, that's pratically a pipe dream since congress has been intent on privatization instead of having NASA be in that role.

after about a decade, the government then sells its stake off slowly; probably reaping a rather huge profit while it's at it.