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I'll go first...

My favorite Fediverse platforms as of 2024

  1. Mastodon - my main social feed platform that first introduced me to the Fediverse in general.

  2. Lemmy - my second main social feed platform that originally substituted Reddit from years ago.

  3. Matrix protocol - communication platform I use to connect with users on the Lemmy instance I'm on

  4. Peertube - would love to get an account going and use it more often but still don't know how but there's FediVideo.

  5. Bookwyrm - Goodreads alternative that I signed up for that could use more work for a genuine reading tracker.

BONUS: my least favorite Fediverse platform lately

WordPress - because I used to run art blogs on there before I heard word about drama about the CEO of the corporation so I basically had to put out my last existing art blog...RIP.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago

Lemmy and peertube
Mastdon is alr ig

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 minutes ago

Here on Lemmy is my favorite considering that's what I use most on the Fediverse. Second would be the only other one I use: Mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 27 minutes ago

Lemmy and peertube

[–] jaxiiruff 1 points 32 minutes ago

Lemmy & Bluesky until that eventually falls off or Mastodon decides to improve itself

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Is there any write-up about interops between any of them?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Seems a little old. It should have BlueSky and FChannel

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Bluesky uses ATprotocol not ActivityPub, therefore it’s not considered part of the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Every time I see this I think it needs a Storage and a Conversation branch.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure Kbin is dead and gone, might want to update your tree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I think fedia.io seems to scratch the itch

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I wanna check out the fediverse blogging platforms, they seem interesting. Which one would you recommend? I looked at writefreely but it seems that none of the instances let you post as many blogs as you want unless you pay?

Also, is anyone working a fediverse IMDB/letterboxed alternative that uses OMDB dataset? Perhaps a Bookwyrm fork could make it not too hard to start.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago
  1. Mbin
  2. Misskey forks (I use CherryPick, but Sharkey is good too)
  3. PeerTube
  4. PieFed
  5. Mastodon
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago
  1. XMPP
  2. Lemmy
  3. Akkoma
  4. Peertube
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

There is Matrix but no XMPP :(

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago

I really wanted to like bookwyrm and use it but it's just so bare bones. Instead, I switched from goodreads to StoryGraph like two years ago. I really like some of its features like content warnings, moods, very detailed stats of my reading habits, etc.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

A Roblox alternative in the fediverse.

Because I want to get off Roblox.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

Lemmy. I love to read the posts and play the media.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 13 hours ago

Mastodon. Easily better than Twitter in every way, even when it wasn’t full of garbage. Can’t say the same for Lemmy, it’s not bad, and in some ways better but in some ways worse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

Without any particular order: Lemmy, Mastodon, Bookwyrm.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Nextcloud is federated? First time I hear about that.

For me it's Lemmy, without a doubt. Never used Twitter, tried mastodon to see what it's all about, didn't like it.

Matrix seems decent, but nobody I know uses it, and finding useful groups is painful, especially on other instances (servers, whatever they call them).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

Also, I am confused at why nextcloud is at the intersection of networking, music, and multimedia.

Yes it technically has a video viewer and music player, but I would be very surprised if any person in the world right now is genuinely using it to post that content to the fediverse social-network style.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, Lemmy is the only one with content that appeals to me so far (at least to my knowledge, given the near-unsearchable nature of the fediverseso far). The platforms just aren't large enough.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Iirc Mastodon is about to add a global search function. I've never used it, nor even Twitter (back before it was cancelled into X), just passing on what I heard.

And PieFed and Mbin are also sort of "Lemmy" (though neither in that graphic that I saw:-).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

And PieFed and Mbin are also sort of “Lemmy” (though neither in that graphic that I saw:-).

It is quite an old graphic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

It's nice that our choices improve so much by new tools being built so rapidly!:-)

[–] [email protected] 48 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

Lemmy, shortly followed by Piefed.

Will probably switch once Piefed gets mobile apps support and comments view

[–] [email protected] 20 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What's so good about PieFed?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (5 children)

Much more advanced moderation tools: https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/

Actual instance blocking compared to the incomplete "mute communities" instance blocking on Lemmy

Development seems fasters than Lemmy, they are almost at feature parity while being much younger

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

On the other hand, it has some weirdly opinionated features:

  • Hiding downvoted comments (mob rule)
  • Marking people with many downvotes as "low reputation". I get it, getting many downvotes is a bad sign but I don't think the software should try to make a ruling here, I think human moderators should look at the whole picture. It doesn't make you a bad person that people disagree with you.
  • Communities organized into "topics" - I'm not certain if these groupings are decided by the dev or the admin? Either way I find it a bit problematic.
  • Marking certain communities as "low effort" and not counting "reputation" for those. I don't feel like the software should be making this kind of value judgement.
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

If it helps:

  1. this is controlled by a user setting. I left the one that automatically "collapses" comments below a threshold at the default, but I disabled the one that "hides" comments by setting the threshold to -10000. So, far from taking away user power, it strictly enhances choices by providing new options, only at the user's behest.

  2. it does have such a "reputation" feature, as too does life. Someone who constantly trolls others gets rather "known" for such. But crucially, it's a label - it doesn't hide anything, only enhances what is already there. And yeah it's a bit of an experiment, perhaps it won't work. Or perhaps it will be improved further? Based on the above and the responsiveness of the devs, I would expect complete control if features were ever added to actually do anything wrt this score.

Btw apps already have something similar, as too does PieFed, when adding a label for new accounts - bc people have asked for it, and it can be helpful to know when talking with someone that they are a new account (perhaps they are an alt, but it's something, and again it's just a label).

Yeah, I constantly get downvoted - and some of my posts are among the most heavily downvoted content existing in certain communities (but I also note that such things as Innuendo Studios The Alt Right Playbook got heavily downvoted by the same community as well so... I feel vindicated:-). So I mean it when I say that believe me I KNOW what you mean when expressing those concerns. Perhaps the experiment won't work out, or perhaps it merely needs tuning - e.g. so that any one post or comment doesn't weigh so heavily but rather only their aggregate (median rather than mean perhaps? or maybe only the binary choice of positive or negative total score, and even then perhaps not centered at zero but something more highly negative like -10?).

Also PieFed.social has defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so those sources of downvoting are entirely removed. It also preferentially weights scores more highly feedback from those with high reputation already - which state I achieved in roughly a week and with only two posts, one a cross-post of the other even. So it's not like seniors are locking out the noobs.

Anyway yes there's enormous potential for misuse there, but it's also something that people have been clamoring for - so it's something that they are being responsive enough to try it out?

  1. I'm not sure about the categories - but again the devs are very responsive so surely easy to change things? Also I've definitely joined communities that aren't in those, and while there are large federation issues with any non-Lemmy.World instance right now (I see the same from many instances including my 2 alt accounts elsewhere - so it has little to nothing to do with PieFed; especially after the enormous surge in content surrounding the USA election), I believe that they show up in the main feed.

  2. I have never heard that before but I would support it - more "experimental" communities should be allowed, to try things out, a "safe space" if you will:-).

All of these are valid concerns - and seem like they are being worked on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 34 minutes ago

Honestly assigning a label to users that everyone can see based on other users' opinions seems like a bad idea anyway you put it. Independent of it's intention, it can stifle constructive arguments, encourage mass alt accounts, cause classism and mobbing. There is a Black Mirror episode with this exact premise where it impacts your real life reputation, people's perceptions of you & what you're allowed to do.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It doesn't really help for me, but the beauty of the fediverse is that it doesn't have to. You can like PieFed, I can prefer Lemmy and we can both still talk :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 53 minutes ago (1 children)

Absolutely 💯!

And truth be told, we don't know what the future holds as well. As moderation tools improve on Lemmy.World, as communities evolve, and new concepts rise to the foreground e.g. PieFed, and also Sublinks, both on top of Mbin too.

A year ago I thought one way about e.g. communities located on Lemmy.ml, then time passed and I changed my mind. Then technology changed and I switched instances to follow.

What I am saying is: it is so fantastic to have choices! ☺️ THAT is the real win in this situation, IMHO, whether I end up liking PieFed's approach or not. 🏆

[–] [email protected] 1 points 28 minutes ago

Yea it's cool. Although, regarding sublinks, it really looks like the project has stalled.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I looked thru this blog hopeful that there would be protection against mod abuse. Instead you can get banned for downvoting? I don't want to be looking over my back because some dipshit mod had a bad take. This is generating way too much analytical data on users. Communities don't need empowered super mods treating users like numbers on a spreadsheet. Lemmy for sure has problems (ml) but this isn't the answer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Lemmy admins can already see who downvotes what, I'm sure they already ban accounts who systematically downvote their communities content

It's a tool. If some admins power trip, well report them on [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Mods can also see votes in communities they moderate, lemmy-ui just doesn't show the option (and no other client, to my knowledge, has the feature).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

It doesn't need to be the answer. It just needs to be an answer for certain use cases. Both platforms can easily coexist. That's the beauty of federation.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago

Lemmy, I like the simple post structure with all related commentary under the original submission.

Mastodon is fine for people who like it but it's hard to follow the thread of replies as every reply is its own individual post.

I guess the twatter format makes sense for dashing off quick messages but I find it hard to follow and it's difficult to find communities and topics of interest without also including a shit-ton of noise along with the signal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

Def Lemmy and Matrix

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