Cyberpunk is a science-fiction sub-genre dealing with the integration of society and technology in dystopian settings. Often referred to as “low-life and high tech,” Cyberpunk stories deal with outsiders (punks) who fight against the oppressors in society (usually mega corporations that control everything) via technological means (cyber). If the punks aren’t actively fighting against a megacorp, they’re still dealing with living in a world completely dependent on high technology.
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Lemmy needs more content that isn't about US politics right now so I'm making a random post.
What's the most obscure cyberpunk movie you've seen? Name a cyberpunk movie you don't think anyone else has heard of.
I'm not saying you have to think it's a good movie (or that you even like it), I just want to discuss obscure, unknown cyberpunk movies. Come on, let's talk about something other than politics here.
Strange Days is one of those often listed near the bottom on lists of the best cyberpunk movies and I almost never see it talked about or mentioned in discussions. I think it goes under the radar because it's not visually spectacular, nor is it very futuristic. Classic dialogue heavy sci-fi.
You're right, Strange Days is definitely a classic yet visually it isn't very sci-fi. The themes and plot are extremely sci-fi (and cyberpunk) yet if you just looked at a random frame from the movie you wouldn't really be able to tell.
100% agree. This jumped right to the top for me, really enjoyed it and always recommend it to people.
New Rose Hotel. Featuring Willem Dafoe and Christopher Walken! Story by William Gibson! I may be mistaken, but I think he even wrote the screenplay, like in Johnny Mnemonic. But sadly not a very good movie. Its painfully slow. The original short story clearly did not have enough content for a movie. However, if you were to cut it down, there is a really good Cyberpunk movie hidden there. Maybe someday it gets the fancut it deserves...
I just watched that recently! Yeah, very weird movie. The vast majority of it takes place in a hotel room and all the major events occur off-screen. Such a strange movie. And with that cast, you'd think they could've made it more interesting.
Cyberpunk has never been what draws me to science fiction, but I'd say the most obscure is probably existence (if that counts?). It came out in 1999 and was overshadowed by the matrix. I
eXistenZ definitely counts! Cronenberg being weird in a way that only Cronenberg can.
I wanted to like Mute but I really didn't like Paul Rudd's character in it. Overall, I think it had some good visuals but something about that movie just didn't work for me.
Did you like the movie? What was your favorite part?
i don't know if it counts as proper cyberpunk but it floated to tie top of my mind when i read the post.
in fall 2014 i was visiting a friend in stockholm, and through some weird mix of circumstances we found ourselves in the apartment of a friend of a friend of theirs, at three in the afternoon, like eight of us in a three-person sofa bed and watching Algorithm. the guy who lived there really wanted to show it to us since he thought it was so cool, gritty and realistic. i remember that he had a photograph on his wall of him shaking hands with the king. i think he worked for google. anyway...
it is one of the worst movies i've seen. and it's not funny bad. it's an angsty drama about a computer hacker hiding from the authorities, so it's mostly about how good he is with computers. all in this muted gray-green color, it's mostly shot day-for-night, and it's just soooo boring.
the only detail i vividly remember is a scene where the protagonist swaps to a new burner phone. he does this by taking the SIM card out, throwing the old phone in a bin, and putting the SIM into the new phone. i still think about that scene.
Hardware. Saw this with a friend in the theater, we thought it was terrible. I've revisited it since, and while I won't say it's great I think it's worth a watch.
I agree, I think it's worth a watch. It's the only real "cyberpunk horror" movie I can think of. I mean, there are plenty of body horror cyberpunk movies (especially in Japanese cyberpunk) but Hardware is the only one I know that really follows a "slasher" horror movie format.
Does Avalon (2001) count?
Absolutely! That one's super obscure to me. I'm pretty sure I've seen it yet I don't remember anything from it.
It's not my favorite but i enjoy rewatching it.
Oh man, that's a movie i haven't thought about in a long time... I know I've seen it and I'm pretty sure I liked it but I don't remember a single thing about it. Time to go see if it's streaming anywhere...
that's basically what the movie is about lol
Oh yeah I also came across something called Terminus (1987) which sounds kinda cyberpunk, but haven't watched it yet. See it free on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dBxa992y1g
In the year 2037, an international sport has been established, wherein a driver of a truck must cross the country and arrive at a designated terminus, while confronting obstacles and enemies along the way. The lead truck, named "Monster", has been designed by a boy genius (Gabriel Damon) and is to be piloted through the course by a woman named Gus (Karen Allen). Eventually, the truck's AI fails and Gus ends up in uncharted territories...
Probably tekwar. I don't think I've ever seen mention of it.
William Shatner's TekWar! It all looks awful, I don't know how they made so much of it.
Based upon the books by William Shatner, a.k.a. the original Captain Kirk? It was a thing for a few years in the '90s, but yeah - pretty much dropped off the radar entirely afterwards.
Hmmm.... I started watching OtherLife (2017) the other day... it's more of a techno-thriller than cyberpunk tho.... But it does have evil corporates and evil government types... you can see it free here: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x93okqm
It's kind of meh, but if you're in the mood for something Inception-like, you might dig it.
OtherLife is a 2017 Australian science fiction thriller film directed by Ben C. Lucas. It stars Jessica De Gouw as the co-founder of OtherLife, a company that developed a form of biological virtual reality. When her business partner, played by T.J. Power, insists she license it for unethical use, she struggles to retain control of her invention with the help of her lover...
edit: oops forgot this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherLife
Can't even seem to find it now. It was a non-English film. Eastern European, I think. Most of it was shot in sepia tones. It's about people who put everything into a virtual reality game. Build their whole lives around playing it.
The protagonist makes a fantastic meal for her cat while eating slop herself.
Was probably from the early 2000s. I think I watched it because I ran across a review of it and it happened to be orderable on Netflix DVD.
Since someone else just mentioned this movie, is it possible you were thinking of Avalon (2001)?
I didn't know about Until the End of the World (1991) till recently. Can't say it was worth watching, but bounty bear was amazing.
Wow, I have never heard of this movie. I just watched a trailer and it looks very strange. I think I'll take your word for it and skip this one.
Nobody mentioned it, so it's either really obscure or way too obvious, but: Nirvana (1997).
A game developer finds out that the main character in his next title has become sentient and must save him from endless suffering by deleting all copies of the game shortly before it launches. I saw it many years ago, and really liked it. It hasn't aged perfectly, but all the important cyberpunk bits are there.
Definitely obscure. It's hard to find online anywhere. I've only been able to find it on the internet archive. It's got a weird plot but amazing cyberpunk visuals.
oh yeah I also came across a movie called "CyberTracker" (1994) recently. It sounds pretty cyberpunk but def low-budget, I haven't watched it.
In the future, Eric Anthony Phillips is the head of the Secret Service detachment assigned to protect Senator Bob Dilly (John Aprea). Senator Dilly is a champion of the recently implemented Computerized Judicial System (Computerized Justice for short), a product of Cybercore Industry, that uses data as evidence to determine the guilt of accused criminals, then carries out the sentence using cyborg executioners called "Trackers" (Maniaci). However, the more Phillips learns about Dilly and the Cybercore's ruthless plans, the more uncomfortable he becomes...
At least Cyber Tracker has a Rifftrax for it, which could make the movie bearable. (RiffTrax is from the guys who made Mystery Science Theater 3000)
Not that obscure but I liked the cyberpunk portions of cloud atlas.
I will watch every movie in this thread. Election promise.
(I feel like there's a conversation waiting to happen about what really counts as cyberpunk. Codifying genres is hard, robocop never walks around the internet, blade runner has space travel, is space truckers cyberpunk? I think there does have to be a sort of 80s lo fi vibe of some sort, unless it's a serious modernisation like Black Mirror.
I feel like you could talk about speculative near future technology being used to critique modern society, but theres also something to be said for trench coats and two pistols. Hypothetically Equilibrium would fill both even though its not particularly cyber. Underworld also checks some of these boxes, despite not being cyberpunk to most people, probably because it pulled a lot of visual style from The Matrix, which is a very trad cyberpunk that transcended (as it were) the genre watching audience.
Is Demolition Man cyberpunk? It has spec tech with both low and high society, but very little walking around the internet and the tech only marginally interacts with the story except as a device to get a 1993 cop into the grim dark future of 2032. It's not very goth either)
Oh boy... now we're getting into the deep discussions. Here comes a long rambling response.
This is something I've been thinking about before; there seems to be two different "brands" of cyberpunk. There's the "hard-boiled detective in neon-lit rainy streets" and there's "literally anything involving cyberspace". Either one of those things can be considered cyberpunk and yet they rarely overlap. Also, there's the American version of cyberpunk which is more "punk" and anti-authority/anti-conformity while simultaneously the Japanese version of cyberpunk which relies more on law enforcement and preserving the status quo (Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, Psycho Pass, etc.). And yet both of those are considered cyberpunk too. And that doesn't even touch on the "what does it mean to be human?" brands of cyberpunk. Cyberpunk is such a broad term that it almost encompasses any story with high-technology that excludes space travel.
I've tried having this discussion before, asking things like is Demolition Man cyberpunk?, is The Fifth Element cyberpunk?, is Super Mario Bros (1993) cyberpunk?, is They Live cyberpunk?, is Alien cyberpunk? because it's fun to see where people draw the line. I'm not trying to gate-keep, it's just that cyberpunk is such a nebulous genre that it almost comes down to personal preference.
One argument I'll make (that is more pedantic than most people care to discuss with me) is that I personally believe rebellions do not belong in cyberpunk works. The one exception is if the rebellion is destined to fail. One fact in cyberpunk fiction is that the megacorps are too big to bring down. If Johnny Silverhand in Cyberpunk 2077 wants to blow up Arasaka he's welcome to try, but he's doomed to fail. Same with David in Cyberpunk: Edgerunners. I believe the "optimism" in cyberpunk comes from finding your place in the world, accepting it as it is, and not trying to change it. That's the difference between a "punk" and a "rebel" to me. A punk might be pissed off at authority, but it's aimless, directionless. There's no attempt at systemic change. Yet I would define a rebel as someone who does want to institute systemic change. That's why I would say movies like Equilibrium and Hunger Games aren't cyberpunk. They're actually trying to bring about systemic change. I'd say this stems from cyberpunk's roots in hard-boiled detective novels where the detective knows the police force is ineffective and corrupt. But he's not trying to fix that problem, he's trying to find his place in the world despite that problem.
Anyway, good luck with your attempt to watch everything on this thread! There's a lot of obscure weirdness described here.
I think there's also a tonal thing. It's hard to imagine cyberpunk comedy, at least structurally. The cynicism does disclude the matrix and ready player one.
Maybe a list of concepts and if you tick 7 out of 9 boxes it's cyberpunk. Things like:
I think this winds up being "is a hot dog a sandwich" conversation, trying to cram fluffy social concepts into rigid categories, but even more so with art. Two cyberpunk movies will be a lot further apart conceptually than two separate kilograms of steel.
But also at some point you have to sort your vhs tapes and whether a movie goes in "Action" or "Sci-fi" is a pragmatic decision and not a deep philosophical one
I saw a Cyberpunk movie around 2014 that I've been searching for since then. Maybe the folks in this thread can help me find it. I only remember one scene:
It's nighttime, and our protagonist (a white male) walks down a subway-style staircase into an underground (literally and figuratively) VR cafe of sorts. He meets with a woman who takes him down a hallway, and they glance into several of the rooms. We can see people in their VR worlds - some of them are men playing simulations of making love to groups of attractive women. Some are engaging in violent fantasies. They come to the room the protagonist will use to enter the VR space, and it looks like a dentist chair with the headset dangling from the ceiling on a metal contraption. There's CRT displays all around that will allow the woman to monitor the protagonist as he's in his VR world on a mission.
Likely English but possibly a foreign film.
That's all I can remember. Does it ring a bell for anyone? I've spent countless hours trying to track this one down.
It's not Johnny Mnemonic or Strange Days.
I am surprised no one mentioned Decoder (1984). Starring W.S.Burroughs, Gen P. Orridge and Christiane F. of bahnhof zoo. One of there best underground movies ever made.
Hotel Artemis (2018) Caught this on Netflix a few years back, pretty decent 'takes place in one night' movie. Really good cast and a cool premise.
Aeon Flux was a weird one. Had some cool stuff going on, but the execution was shoddy