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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago (1 children)

US farmers forget that Donnie fucked them last time around, too. Idiots.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Didn’t we then pay them subsidies after trump screwed them?

Wasteful.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Right out of the authoritarian playbook - be both the cause and solution to problems that people face. That way you can vilify "them" while also being the "savior".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Boo fucking hoo. Stop voting for policies that directly hurt you and yours just to spite perceived threats, and then maybe I'll give a shit about your woes.

-- an "enemy from within"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People think of farmers as something Grant Wood would paint. It's not like that as much anymore. Big corporations control those guys.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah as soon as I started seeing signs in fields advertising the big corporation seeds that were used I knew something was up.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They will just blame any and all negative repercussions on liberals and immigrants, continuing to vote in people who destroy their lives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Someday there won’t be any of those scapegoats left to blame but it’ll be too goddamn late. Pardon me if I don’t shed any tears over their desperation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And agricultural products would also be the obvious place for the EU to retaliate too, so if Trump goes ahead with his harebrained plan to impose ridiculous tariffs they can forget about exports as a viable business model.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

And why use Chinese fertilizer, Trump is producing enough shit to provide all American farmers. Who needs fertilizer anyway.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Faces will be eaten, let the feasting commence

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

wait til your lord king, savior, and chief diaper-wearer shrinks your labor pool and those still around willing to work demand more money.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

https://apnews.com/united-states-government-60b2acc81d394e01a78e428c48d53815

The Trump administration announced Tuesday it will provide $12 billion in emergency relief to ease the pain of American farmers slammed by President Donald Trump’s escalating trade disputes with China and other countries.

However, some farm-state Republicans quickly dismissed the plan, declaring that farmers want markets for their crops, not payoffs for lost sales and lower prices.

Looking forward to experiencing Groundhog's Day about leopards eating faces next year when I visit home in the rural Midwest.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

US exports are limited to war, Boeing, Caterpillar, Deere, agriculture and climate terrorist energy. The Trump promise of reindustrialization of US is a fake one. If universal tariff threat is followed through, certain recession. Placing them on the world, is not going to strengthen alliances.

Just because DNC/Biden/Harris rolled over for Trump doesn't mean rest of the world will. But that is the big geopolitical question.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The problem is that the US no longer has the production facilities and capabilities for so many basic things. How many screws are actually made in the US? How many electronic components, not just processors, but capacitors and resistors? All the ingredients for the chemical and pharmaceutical industry? They basically all come from China.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Yes. The CHIPS act making processors, will still send them over to Asia to make motherboards. Robotics in China is much more advanced because that is where all the customers are, and you need a lot of hands on tinkering help from manufacturer to get them to work with other processes. Boston Dynamics may be smartest in the world, but they are just making warehouse robots, and I doubt their sales are high.

Trying to build the full industrial support structure for "highest tech" industries while tariffing all imports is just an extremely tough investment proposition.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck em, let their crops wither and die.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or not? I'd rather not children starve to death because farmers made stupid choices.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh, they will not wither and die, it will just be bought by Nestlé et al. and you can either import food from abroad and pay the Trump tax, or you can buy the price gouged local produce after all competition is gone.

Fuck US politics in general.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

It’s because they were probably educated in the US.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

US citizens with delicious faces, vote to let all of the face-eating leopards out of cages - now facing uncertain future...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

China likely to reciprocate against the tariffs, why? They only hurt us, and help them. Placing Tariffs in the other direction makes their prices rise in their country, that doesn't help them. They keep more industries by keeping prices low

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It hurts them because imports will fall and that's how they make money.

It will just hurt Americans far more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I suppose if the product in unnecessary, that would make sense. Required imports would stay selling at same prices until manufacturing plants elsewhere could be built for cheap enough to not just pay the tariffs. : /

Nothing except market manipulation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

It does help them if they think retaliation will pressure the initial levier (the U.S.) to scale back their tariff schedule. It hasn't worked out like that but that's the theory. Also, China isn't as subject to popular pressure as western democracies. Yes, I agree with you, trade wars are wasteful, harmful, and just a bad idea overall.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

China just usually buys its agriculture from friendlier countries without making a big fuss about "making China great again" public display. It does occasionally issue explicit bans against countries acting stupid, though. Brazil certainly feels confident to plant much more.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They did in 2018. Turns out they import lots of soybean and other foods from the US.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Someone used to tell me one of the largest exports of Panama City Beach when I lived there was mulch. They would ship it to China for fuel apparently. Never would have thought about a smaller town shipping trees half a world away... Talk about inefficient.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Wait till you hear about the farming that happens in Phoenix and then shipped to China.

[–] IamSparticles 2 points 1 week ago

Fruit and vegetable producers that rely on migrant labor are going to be double fucked.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

Fuck China.