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I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn't really matter when it's federated and FOSS. I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

100%. That's why it took me until the end of June to join Lemmy even though the blackout was on June 12th.

And I was already hating Reddit before the blackout. But FOMO made me stay and I feel bad about it.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Almost everyone in the linked Reddit post seems to be supportive of Lemmy, or even Lemmy users. Even the people who tried it and stopped seem generally warm to the idea and just think it needs polish.

I'd say that this comment section is way more vitriolic than that one lol

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

We are having a great time over here in the Fediverse, and they are jealous. So we will continue to have a blast, just to piss them off.

[–] jonathan 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Doesn't [email protected] have like 40k subscribers? Top ten Lemmy community by sub count, iirc.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bingbingbing!

The people still exclusively on Reddit are on Reddit because they don't like the Fediverse or they're unwilling to change their habits. Had they liked it and been genuinely open for change they would have made the switch, or at least used both platforms.

This is not so much true for the average user, as they might not be aware of the federated alternatives at all, or they might think it sounds too hard. But it's absolutely true for the self-hosting community.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Besides other factors mentioned in this thread, there's also

  • selection bias: people with a positive view of Lemmy already migrated, so the leftover is bound to have more negative views
  • older userbase: older people use language in a different way, talk about different topics, and dig into those topics in a different way. That often makes younger people throw a tantrum.
  • group identity: for those "AS A SNOO" we're basically apostates.
  • edit: personal drama between higher ups is more visible here than in Reddit.
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because people off Reddit hate everything that its not reddit

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

People on Reddit. We’re the people off Reddit :)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

No idea, quit Reddit over a year ago for fedia/lemmy. Never used x/twitter either, i use mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seems to me most people in that thread seems relatively open minded? The people dismissing Lemmy completely appears to be downvoted, and people seem to have a nuanced understanding that it's a better platform in theory but sadly less active.

I'm sure they're right. I'm a slow person who thinks there's plenty of activity over here, but if you're used to the adrenaline of Reddit it must feel a little small town-y.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

To be honest except on things like sports and politics, reddit kind of feels like a ghosttown too. So many posts with huge amounts of upvotes and like 2 bot generated comments. The power commenter types seem to have left after the exodus and been replaced by lots of people who scroll and like but don’t really venture much into comments.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

we are like their penal colony in revolt, maybe

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Main reason is people are too lazy to change their ways and don’t want to feel like they’ve been making the wrong choice all along.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The feel of Lemmy communities is a little different than Reddit, even if the software features are mostly analogous and there are many Redditisms used.

Your average commentor/poster will stand out more in a small community, there's less of being able to post and then slink away.

People have gotten used to a lot more comforting features of modern Reddit, Lemmy in both the users and in the software has more of a "Reddit 10-15 years ago" feel to it.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, read the post? They explain themselves pretty well there. Or are you linking it with hopes we'll brigade or something?

Lemmy hate comes down to two or three things: they don't like communists, or they're confused by it. Or they're waiting for it to be bigger.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The higher-score comments there don't seem to be particularly hostile to Lemmy. They talk about legitimate concerns like whether Lemmy as it exists now could deal with a Reddit-size volume of data, The top comment at this time speaks favorably of [email protected].

Of course people who are still using Reddit are more likely to view Reddit as favorable or acceptable and alternatives as problematic, or not quite there yet. I'm actively Fediverse-first in my use of social media, but I still end up on Reddit quite a bit for niche interests because that's where the most people are.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Could be their total intolerance for opposing views, don't see that on Reddit but it's rampant on Lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago
  1. the post already said why:

I would love to move away from reddit but it's hard when this is where the base of my favorite communities still exists.

  1. further compounded by issues such as (a) overall lack of moderation, which further depends on (b) better development of moderation tools, and (c) guides explaining how things work, bc it can be fairly confusing, e.g.:

How do I find selfhosted communities on Lemmy? If I search for "selfhosted" I get one community (Run It Yourself) with around 3K subscribers and very little activity. Is that it?

Though someone answered (I think incorrectly):

I think the biggest one is 40k on lemmy.world and it's called "selfhosted". You must be on a Lemmy server that doesn't show that community for some reason. There are ideological rifts on Lemmy that can cause some servers to splinter like that.

Interestingly, from my old instance discuss online, I see no hits at all to that term among community names - https://discuss.online/search?q=selfhosted&type=Communities&listingType=Local - meaning that nobody from that instance has subscribed to it yet.

Which is why things like Categories of Communities (already fully functional on PieFed) are so helpful to guide people to what they may be looking for.

  1. And I haven't even begun on the whole tankies connotation of moving here.

I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit.

No - apparently not, it's only clear to you, not them, for all the reasons listed above and likely more besides. We would have to build it first, before they will come... and even then I would expect a long delay. In the meantime, Lemmy MAUs (Monthly Active Users) are actively declining, whether they are returning their traffic to Reddit or not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Us vs them too. It's different, people hate change. So now there is a them and an us..

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