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[–] [email protected] 27 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

How do you people propose to call them? Expansionists? Colonialists? Genocidists?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 18 hours ago

Israeli supremacists

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago

They already banned a swathe of pro-palestinian political streamers in the run up to the US election, so this is likely retroactive reasoning.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Waiting for the free-speech absolutists to boycott twitch for this (they won't)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago

One of the orchestrators of this whole thing, Destiny, defends child porn and the use of slurs.

Ironic is putting it lightly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

I really don't like the censorship of speech from either side. People have a right to choose their own words and suffer the consequences for the words they choose.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

They probably don't like zionazi either. Neither this nor zionist is a code word for Jew. The entire political class, the great majority being Christian, and their donors are zionist, because going with the flow of AIPAC is path to get your candidates to also serve your oligarchist or Christofascist protections.

Netanyahuists or likudists or Mossadists or Epsteinists ok?

BTW, Chuck Shumer is going to allow a vote in Senate over this "criticism of zionism is anti semitic" law in US. Reddit also supports mods who recomend permabans over criticism of zionism already.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Okay, now streamers can get more creative when refering to a zionist. I think that 'bibi's removed' is a good term.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The same way I don't think we should capitulate to framing "cracker" as a slur, or to framing "black lives matter" as a racist thing to say, I don't think we should capitulate to framing things like "from the river to the sea" or "zionist" as antisemitic.

But, as a thought experiment, let's indulge in this doublespeak trash. What is a good alternative? So far I've got:

  • Israeli colonizers
  • Jewish supremacists
  • genocidal sacks of shit
  • Israeli apartheidists
  • Isreal expansionists
  • Israeli warmongerers
  • people in favor of the genocide and apartheid committed by Israel (in full, every time you need to say zionist)
  • modern day nazis
  • zionazis (technically not zionist!)

So all of this liberal crybaby nomenclature trash aside, I actually do think "zionist" is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too). While one faction of zionism pursued the nakba and massacres from fairly early on, and while this faction has been quite successful, there are other notions of zionism which do not entail murdering children or colonizing a country. When Netanyahu and Chomsky can both legitimately refer to themselves as zionists, I think it's clear that zionism is too broad a term to be useful in the current ongoing genocide and the ethnic cleansing that has been going on for the better part of a century.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Izan - Nazi backwards Iz A Nazi or IzrAeli Nazi

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

the problem is that about 75% of people have no idea what happened during the partition plan and 20% who do think what the Zionists did were justified (even pre partition/pre war/war time(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

I'm partial to three, m'self.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

These are indeed very good alternatives

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

Calling zionism what it is shouldn't be discouraged with dog whistles masquerading as conduct policies.

At the same time I'd like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

There are a couple Jewish lead organizations that fight for the freedom of Palestine and have been very critical of Israel for many years.

Jewish Voices for Peace is one group. I wonder how they'd feel about Twitches new policy. I'm genuinely curious what their opinion would be.

Edit - corrected Jewish Voices for Peace

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago

Which makes the blob anti-semitic for saying anti-zionism is anti-semitic.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (6 children)

At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

Further to this, the majority of zionists are christians.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

How about "genocidal assholes?" Can they still say that?

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Next, "apartheid" will be anti-Semitic.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But Zionism isn't a religion, it's a nationalist movement.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hey everybody has a right to a racist ethnostate how dare people criticize the idea.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/removed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetback_(slur)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spic

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur)

So yeah. Not that 'Zionist' is a slur

Edit: Really, shitty censorship bot? We're adulterating URLs now, and selectively only that specific slur? Gross on both counts

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

Yes, probably most of them...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

I actually do think “zionist” is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too).

Do any of the forms of zionism (a belief that they should own the land) involve market purchases of the land they would like? (instead of settler colonial theft?)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

"How dare you use a word that means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate' in a way that explicitly means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate'!" - Twitch, active supporters and enablers of genocidal, imperialist, apartheid ethnostates.

[–] [email protected] 140 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Zionists really captured that platform.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Never used it and never will, but maybe we can make Twitch become a slur?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

TBH people should talk about zionism and zionists much more.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's great how people are gathering and having discussions under heavily censored platforms owned by billionaries, just amazing.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can we make Twitch a slur for terrible tech companies.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

All tech companies eventually enshitify and we would never be able to remember all of them if they all became slurs. Lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

sooo twitch declares the Zionist movement offensive? and should only discussed in sn academic sense? /s

wow twitch, very brave!!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Good thing I'm an anti-zionist then I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (14 children)

OK, so people can use the definition instead. In fact it might be more useful.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm willing to get this will increase the amount of actual ethnic slurs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

It's their goal. They want to conflate jewishness and israel because they need the world to be antisemitic.

Otherwise people would just leave.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

Friendly reminder that selfhosted streaming exists (Owncast) or online alternatives like PeerTube.

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