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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bear in mind that Antenna (the source of this info) has no access to internal Netflix metrics, only to opt-in consumer information. We won't really know what's going on with Netflix's numbers until their next quarterly report.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

This is a super important piece of the puzzle that no one seems to be talking about. It's surface level at best

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I only consume content the way God intended : Torrent

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Absolutely the best way of consuming content, if you have access to the better trackers.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm about to the point where I'm just going to go back to pirating. The value of streaming services was in their convenience. I was willing to pay money for that, but the more fragmented and complicated all of it gets, when I can just pay for 1 VPN and go to a site and click a few links...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Piracy can be pretty convenient too. There are some services that are a kind of a hassle to set up, but work really well once everything is configured. You can have one docker container running qbittorrent and set up so it's only able to access the Internet through VPN, other containers running sonarr/radarr etc to automate the downloading, and one runing plex to organize and stream all the content.

I subscribe to several streaming services because the people who work on and create this content deserve to be paid, but often will watch something on my plex server rather than through the streaming site because it's just more convenient. Also it's nice to have local copies of that media in case it ever gets removed from the streamer in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The recent loss of Rarbg has been pretty bad for Piracy community. Big shuffles on the internet lately.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The sad reality most of us who comment on social media and forums forget is we are just a vocal minority, majority of consumers don't care for these outrages unfortunately. If the end product works good enough for most people then they will keep it/use it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

majority of consumers don’t care for these outrages unfortunately

See also: Preordering video games

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Preordering online video games is such a rip off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I go nuts on anyone preordering digital releases just to be outraged when it turns out the game sucks balls.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah, not surprising tbh. They tested the change in smaller countries like NZ first, which allowed them to determine if it was worth doing the same elsewhere.

Password sharing is really common, but I don't think enough people realise - if they give a shit about what they use and where it comes from, they're the minority. That goes for almost any service, not just streaming. The people willing to change their habits to protest are always going to be less than the entrenched people who can be pushed, inch by inch.

Most Netflix users just want something to watch with minimal effort and without having to try or think about it. So if the password doesn't work, they shrug, they accept it, they make their own account, and their routines stay the same. In fact I'm willing to be that of the new Netflix users, a majority of them are probably also subscribed to at least one other streaming service, too.

Convenience is a commodity, and users have different price points.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

The other streaming services will undoubtly follow this trend now that Netflix has shown it works.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm skeptical. If this is indeed true, I believe it will be short lived. The simple reason is that the content is not worth the cost. It worked better when people shared their passwords maybe? I gave up my subscription long before they announced these changes because the content, IMO, mostly sucks.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm honestly sort of suspicious of this report. I wouldn't be surprised if the information is misrepresented or outright fabricated.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

So much for the great exodus that was predicted.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Savvy tech users consistently underestimate how much hostile corporate behavior the general population is willing to put up with.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

But then I couldn't watch Netflix!!

When was the last time you actually did watch Netflix, and even then how often have you watched it?

.....but I need to watch Netflix

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought that Netflix would be caught out by the number of people turning to piracy, but I guess there’s also a lot of older people who have to setup their own account now that they can’t use a relative’s. Or just get the add on for the relative’s existing sub.

I cancelled my Netflix subscription, but it looks like I might need to set one up for my mum and my nan instead :/

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Older people are an obvious demographic that won’t jump ship, but don’t turn a blind eye to the younger generation. It isn’t boomers who throw $70+ at video games on a constant basis. The threshold for a convenience/value ratio seems very low for a lot of people.

As an unrelated and statistically insignificant anecdote, the two biggest pirates I know are both actual literal boomers.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I've looked into it and the data is for 2 days. It might be an outlier...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Plex + Sonarr/Radarr and you won't need Netflix anymore ;)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My family is paying nearly $30/month for Netflix now, on top of paying for cable TV, Max, and Amazon. I currently pay for Hulu and Disney+ and share it with the family, but I really hope password crackdowns are not the norm.

If they are, I'm gonna have a good talk with them about other options. Just throwing money away because "Well what if I want to watch something on that platform one night and I don't have it" is precisely how these vampires want people to feel - the fear of lack of access.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you don't vote with your wallet on the Netflix one, crackdowns will become the norm

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Agreed. The Netflix one is out of my control as I don't pay for it. So this discussion may be inevitable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I only use Netflix currently, as it comes with my phone plan. The convenience factor is nice, but I find the content library a bit lacking. I must explore Plex at some point.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Check out Jellyfin when you're looking at your options for something like Plex. I love it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

How would you say Jellyfin compares to Plex? Just today installed Plex server so definitely early enough in the process to hop to a difference media server 😁

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jellyfin does most everything Plex does but without a pay wall.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

No idea how accurate this report is. Either way people online tend to be a vocal minority. The vast majority of people using Netflix either aren't on Reddit or other discussion forums, or are simply lurkers who never comment. I find that people that do comment tend to be doom and gloom when it comes to these sort of things. That applies to me too, as I certainly won't buy Netflix due to their content.

But Netflix is large enough that it will probably be fine for quite some time. Even so I do think streaming is declining rapidly due to too many services and studies have shown that people do pirate more when accessing content becomes tedious. It's all a matter of comfort.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The general consumer is an idiot. It’s basic psychology. Rewarding behavior increases it’s likelihood. Soon other streaming services will follow.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BuT tHe FrEe MaRkEt WiLl HoLd BuSiNeSsEs AcCoUnTaBlE!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Oh the late stage capital slogan is now "what the market will bear"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I have a tendency to think this way when I see this kind of disappointing news, but I think it's a good idea to resist the temptation. Assuming everyone that chooses this particular streaming service is an idiot because of something that for me is an issue but for them either doesn't matter or more likely still, isn't even on their radar, well I guess it just helps reinforce a distorted world view that assumes everyone is or should be like me and the people I talk to online.

Still though, I was definitely hoping this would bite them in the arse and it's a shame to see them come out of this smelling like roses somehow.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A spike in subscribers for a period doesn't necessarily mean they're making more money than before, even if the number of new signups offsets the cancellations.

I used to pay for the Premium plan, sharing with my parents, but downgraded to the Basic plan. My parents ended up getting their own Basic plan. So a single account essentially split into two, but the sum of both payments is now less than what it used to be for the single account. So Netflix gained an extra subscriber, but is now making less money from that pool of users.

It's totally possible that some number of these new signups consist of people who did the same thing.

Basically, seeing a spike in new signups isn't itself a measure of success. What matters is how much money they're bringing in monthly going forward compared to previously.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hot take but I think ultimately this will work out for them. Nobody is going to cancel their sub over this, because whoever is paying isn't losing anything.

The people who lose access to the account might not sign up, but it doesn't exactly hurt Netflix if they don't, they weren't paying anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there will be an initial spike of signups, but over the long term the cancellations may outweigh the signups and subscriptions could decrease. Especially if they don't have another hit show like Stranger Things or Squid Game etc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Good luck getting one soon as long as they refuse to fairly negotiate with the WGA. SAG-AFTRA already has a strike authorisation so we may be seeing that soon too, depending on how their closed-door negotiations go this week.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It is frankly insane how much attention those three paragraphs from a random outlet have garnered. The data they release is sparse, with little context, and largely obscure. It reads like the abstract of a term paper that used questionable statistics to validate a preconceived point. I would not be surprised to find out that they had incentive to publish something that makes Netflix's decision look successful to investors. But even if you trust their numbers, all they are saying is that Netflix had more signups than usual on two days. It doesn't mean anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I deleted my account that I was sharing with my family, they understood and are perfectly happy watching my Plex library

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I actually had no issues with Netflix enforcing their ToS but people can of course cancel their subscriptions if they want. I have no issues with paying for a good service.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(I never dare voice this opinion, but this is Beehaw so I’ll take a chance. Please be nice!) I understand piracy as a reaction against unfair corporate practice, but in the long run, with enough traction, this kills not only the distributor but the content creators as well.

I worry for the artists and the craft. I don’t want free lunch. Whenever I get free lunch either my attention span is being sold as a product or someone can’t live from their work.

I wish there would be some kind of Bandcamp for series/movies.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

While I don't watch enough Netflix that this decision will affect me directly, this is awful news, because now I expect more streaming services to see this as a viable option and it will likely be repeated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is, the answer to "how I watch x show otherwise" is pirate, which is an activity many people simply don't know how to or has many loops in order to make it work.

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