Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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Make your voice heard. Tell your government that chatcontrol is not something that we will agree on!
Links: EU document Links:patrik breyer website
It's getting harder and harder to win this fight. I'm Romanian and I'm afraid on sunday our poor/uneducated people will vote for the far right. I don't even have any idea if I can leave for other country because everywhere you look the far right is gaining political territory.
FUCK NAZIS! FUCK FASCISM!!
This is more of a government versus the people fight. No matter what form of government it is. Citizens should have privacy. Although they do not seem to be willing to fight for it. But all governments, no matter what type they are, want control.
Agreed, I'm pretty certain some right wingers don't want random people snooping around their private stuff as well.
And most people are unwilling to fight due to this being covered up, with the likes of save the children, or combating the terrorists.
Once it passes, whether it be this year or 10 years from now, people are just going to have to decide to break the law. If everybody breaks the law and there's basically no possibility of enforcement, then the law doesn't matter.
That is not entirely accurate. Those laws will be selectively enforced against you in particular, cause they don't like you. This is a very common tactic in less civilized places. Have rules that no one is following and you have something to hold against your citizens when it suits you. So it does indeed matter.
Okay, yeah, that's a fair point.
problem is getting everyone to do revolution at the same time. That's one of the purposes of mass surveillance, they can detect the early beginnings of organization and send them to prison before it grows into a big snowball.
they also make extreme examples of anyone threatening to "blow it up", show the public all the corruption and give freedom to the people. Edward Snowden is an example. Also recently Roman Storm the Tornado Cash dev. These extreme attacks from the government are meant to cause fear so no one dares to do anything like that again.
It's not some break towards fascism. It's more like liberal capitalism has always had a fascist tendency and right now the western elite feels pressured everywhere so they let the mask slip and start easing in the policies of the periphery back to the core, just to keep power. This chat control is there to both allow easier crackdowns, but most of all make everybody feel that they are being watched and are less likely to start any shit against the status quo and submit, as if in a panopticon.
Come to the swiss alps 😊
Because the Swiss have famously never been fans of Nazis...
Well, up there, it does not really matter, what they do down here..
I'm not even a European and yet I can see that this is going to be one of those on again, off again fights until they finally wear people down far enough that they don't voice their outrage and get it passed.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping a human face.. forever." - Some book or something.
yeah the elites who run the world have limitless money for the lobbying. I don't think it's possible to win this war on their turf under their rigged rules. Revolution is the only way but I don't think that's a realistic possibility neither. They have so many ways to divide and conquer.
Who stands to benefit from this ruling though?
Politicians, who will inevitably use this to swat people disagreeing / criticising the ruling power.
Ah, yep
Organized child porn rings don’t use e-mail or messenger services, but rather secret self-operated forums. With its plans for chat control, the EU Commission is putting the general security of our private communications and public networks, business secrets and state secrets at risk out of short-term surveillance desires. What we need is removals instead of snooping!”
This is so true, I don't get how anyone can find the governments actions justifiable. Which pedophile that has at least one single braincell actually use unencrypted email providers like gmail, and without any additional encryption such as PGP? This does more harm than good.
Elon Musk removed a flight tracker twitter account after it showed that he visited Epstein island
I think you would be surprised how dumb sexual deviants often are; not that I support this type of legislation
Beware of reverse survivorship bias. We'd know relatively little about the smart deviants if they rarely get caught.
Is this what democracy has become?
It's exactly the reason why I stopped playing OSRS. For those who don't know, it's an old MMO that allows people to "vote" on changes to the game. Except that if something doesn't pass, they just change a few words around until it does pass. That's not democracy, or even true voting.
The choices are biased. It's like asking why Hitler was a great man and keep getting people to vote until the result is "Yes, Hitler did great with the Volkswagen" and boom, a narrative is created by democratic vote. It's a joke. And YET AGAIN I have to send a mass email to all 30 of my countries representatives in the hope to fix democracy from the ground up.
Fuck you chat control.
Fuck all the ones in favor and the ones who keep working on getting it passed.
Fuck you.
Thx for the OSRS reference, makes it more real.
Once again I need to make everyone aware
OSRS is a great example because it's extremely obvious with their new skill votes. It made me realize a lot about the politics around this chat control proposal.
It blows my mind that the EU even considers anything Orban says. He is on Russia’s side in a war where the EU is supporting Ukraine. And has led Hungary to a level of authoritarianism that no longer coincides with the EU rules of acceptance. It isn’t shocking that this nazi would bring back a “law” so he has more control over his citizens. What is sad is that so many other EU countries think it is a good thing. It is an obvious and egregious attack on privacy, something the EU has defended in the past. It is a shame that world-wide the pendulum is swinging the wrong way.
And this is something we see, with eu elections ads just a year ago urging us to consider how fragile the peace and democracy we have actually is.
This was never Orban's or Hungary's idea, it is something the previous presidency could not implement due to the lack of time and it's now Hungary's role to talk about it because the presidency is currently held by Hungary. This doesn't change the fact that there are many EU members that are in support of the idea if implemented well. Anyhow, it's not just for controlling citizents but legally keeping political opponents at check, which is even worse.
Bro, stop it... Nobodies want your fucking law
The fascists trying to prevent a leftist uprising absolutely want it.
This is so stupid. Messengers offer easy access to E2EE, but they are not the only way to make it work. So doing this changes nothing, even assuming you need E2EE to distribute illegal material.
And I want to stress this is not even true. Or can I not just go on the internet and download a movie, which is definitely illegal and aggressively persecuted?
This comment assumes good faith. That is probably a mistake.
"Pedophiles are meeting in secret houses, privacy of houses will now be suspended, cameras inside houses will be mandatory to prevent pedophilia"
-Governments in 2025
The good part is that at least according to https://netzpolitik.org/2024/letzter-anlauf-zur-chatkontrolle-ungarn-will-zustimmung-zum-scannen-erzwingen/ this is the last time they're trying to get the Council to agree.
Last time Hungary will try. Next country that's up for Presidency is Poland which is against chatcontrol.
im hungarian and for hate speech against politicans i could get 1 year in prison. I already did it so much that i'm eligable for the life imprisonment, so if i disappear, you know why
Can someone please explain the process? This has been talked about forever, but nothing happens. Is something going to happen now? What's the timeline?
Fake democracy. They keep changing small rules and words around until it does pass. And we have to fight it.
The EU legislative process is long and convoluted, there are many websites where you can look it up. What's happening now (what OP is about) is figuring out whether the Council will agree to it.