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As a strong supporter of open-source and community-funded projects like Lemmy, which prioritize serving users over investors, I believe Lemmy has significant potential, and that's why I am here. However, it is clear that its growth is nearing a plateau in its current form. Despite the surge in users following Reddit's API changes, Lemmy continues to primarily attract tech-savvy individuals, politically left-aligned users, and those accustomed to old Reddit. For Lemmy to reach the broader average general audience, meaningful changes are necessary.

The rise of Bluesky demonstrates the importance of ease of use and a user-friendly design. Its polished and familiar interface is a key reason for its growth and appeal as an alternative to platforms like X/Twitter. This same ease of use is what Mastodon lacked, leading to its initial hype fading quickly. The average user is unlikely to adapt to something that feels complicated or unfamiliar, and this challenge also applies to Lemmy.

As someone who started as an average Reddit user and became more tech-savvy over time, I can confidently say that first impressions matter. When users first visit lemmy.world, the default UI is often enough to discourage them from staying. Most will not explore the homepage sidebar to explore, figure out and switch to one of the alternative UIs available, which is unfortunate because a better UI could make a huge difference.

This is why I propose that large servers like lemmy.world adopt Photon UI as the default web interface. Photon is currently the best and most mature alternative UI, offering a visually appealing, modular design that feels familiar to users of new Reddit. It makes excellent use of screen space and provides customization options like compact and cozy views. Unlike some other alternative UIs, Photon is actively maintained and ready for widespread use, although in no way is it perfect, this can also help bring in more contributors to the project development.

While it is important to continue offering other UIs as options, I believe adopting Photon as the default UI could make Lemmy far more appealing to the average Reddit user. First impressions are crucial, and the current default UI has turned off many potential users. If we want Lemmy to succeed as a true Reddit alternative, we need to prioritize user experience and accessibility. Thankfully today, Lemmy still continues to be THE biggest Reddit alternative, while our userbase is still considerably smaller than Reddit, it's the biggest of any alternatives, and Lemmy continues to somewhat be in the spotlight for those seeking alternatives, we can't let growth stagnate, it's high time we make the platform more welcoming and appealing for the average joe.

EDIT: The image I attached is from photon.lemmy.world, which I just realized is using the outdated version of Photon, I have updated the image to the updated current photon version from phtn.app. There are a lot of improvements made.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

The Lemmy UI is easy enough to use IMO. Where the problems show up are:

  • Unreliable linking to other comments and posts. It is annoying to no end to receive a link to someone's comment and be unceremoniously ripped out of your home server and put onto the federated one no longer logged in etc... This behaviour should somehow be prevented

  • a quick reference to the text commands easily found somewhere (ie: sidebar)

  • I'd prefer more theme and colour options

  • Fix the text interface so it respects carriage return entries properly. If I want to start a new line directly under the current one (edit: AFI knew after 4+ months of use) there is

no way

to do

it.

Make it so a single carriage return is acknowledged and correctly starts a new line right underneath, or automatically forces a blank line between. This needing double entry is unintuitive and wrecks many new user's first hundred post's appearance.

Finally, the premise: Lemmy.world should be more welcoming is itself undesirable. That instance is already taking up an inordinate number of users so IMO every other instance (except the awful ones, we all know who they are) should be using a better UI, not L.W

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

no way

to do

it.

your can use
two space at the end of the line
to achieve this

For the links, it's being worked on, should be part of 0.20: https://lemmy.ml/post/23245384

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s too much padding. It needs to be more like Hacker News.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Nah that looks like convoluted shit. Simple is better. Like old Reddit. Your screenshot looks like new Reddit dogshit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

People have their preferences, and that's fine. I certainly think we would benefit from different instances making use of different user interfaces by default, appealing in return to different kinds of people.

I've heard some people are not into Piefed because it's too bare bones or something. For me, that's exactly why I love it. Besides, they have even added (optional) support for decorative drop shadows - it's futuristic as fuck, as far as I'm concerned.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

I personally really dislike new reddit and the Photon theme. I'd say no to any change to my main instance.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm on Fedia. It's pretty solid, UI-wise. I actually find it more usable than Reddit and its terrible way of trimming down threads by default.

What I've seen of Lemmy does seem a bit messier to read, though.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I might have missed it, but why is it clear that lemmy is reaching a plateau of users?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The rise of Bluesky demonstrates the importance of ease of use and a user-friendly design. Its polished and familiar interface is a key reason for its growth and appeal as an alternative to platforms like X/Twitter.

I think many people use Bluesky instead of Mastodon because of its UX, not its UI. Both looks great (I think Mastodon even nicer!).

I personally use Mastodon, but I've seen people complain about their experience with it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The ootb experience is what matters to most. As people seem to just want it to work. I personally love the bare bones.. but most users don't really customize much or want to conduct a whole study on alternative apps or settings. I would be fine with polished and basic settings complemented with an advanced settings menu and other apps.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

most users don’t really customize much or want to conduct a whole study on alternative apps or settings.

Usually I just recommend

They can figure the rest themselves later, but that's usually a good way to set people up

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Lemdro.id uses Photon as it's default UI, but it's incredibly slow and sometimes it doesn't even load properly. As much as I love the polish, I wouldn't recommend it as default UI. Using photon as an alternative UI is much better option.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Mastodon is easy to use, it had no chance to become neo-twitter for other reasons.

Can you accept organic growth and not being the bestest best with three billions people?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Photon is currently the best and most mature alternative UI, offering a visually appealing, modular design that feels familiar to users of new Reddit.

What about Tesseract?

https://dubvee.org/

This is why I propose that large servers like lemmy.world adopt Photon UI as the default web interface.

That's something to be discussed per server. You should maybe ask LW staff to open a poll on their announcements community

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago
  1. With what I think are near enough default settings, Voyager shows me about 9 stories. It doesn't feel cramped and the layout is regular, everything lines up.
  2. With what I think are near enough default settings, my browser here shows me 14 stories, with a good accessible font size by default and me easily zooming out to 80%. It doesn't feel cramped and the layout is regular, everything lines up.
  3. I can see 2 stories in that screenshot. Why would I want to have something that's at least 5 times worse, it feels cramped and parts of it line up I guess?
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

I literally hate the new reddit UI, as do most peeps I've spoken with...

The new reddit UI is designed to push ads, and push premium subs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why photon? alexandrite is insanely much better imho: https://a.lemmy.world/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

/me pines for the days of protocol over interface. NNTP + killfiles were the bees knees. Then we could just all pick our own interface to connect to any lemmy host.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

One thing to consider here is that photon as an spa does not offer great support search engines. Which can help drive organic traffic to lemmy. While, some may see it as a net benefit, from your point of view it's an great disadvantage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mostly agree. Maybe a nice idea to make it opt-in by default, with the option to switch back to the 'old' UI

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Perhaps a modal the first time someone visits that shows the different UI options and directions on where to switch

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For Lemmy to reach the broader average general audience

Fucking capitalists will enshitify this also.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (23 children)

How will they? A new UI adaptation won't change the fact that Lemmy is community-run, federated/decentralized and not owned by a corporation?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m working on my own Lemmy client that I’m hoping will be both a better UI, but also universally better as an app (phone and tablet), MacOS app, and on the web. Voyager provides a web version, but it’s not optimized for larger screens.

My app will deliver the best experience on all screen sizes and will take the best of Reddit, Voyager, etc.

I’m 14 days in lol but if anyone is interested please DM me. I’m happy to share what I’m working on, but I just ask you have realistic expectations as this will likely be 6+ month project to deliver something that can actually compete with existing clients.

[–] Itsamelemmy 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I feel like this also was reddits main issue. I started occasionally using reddit way back, probably around when I was also heavy on slashdot. I hated reddits website. Honestly even old is crap. There used to be a simplified app like version of the website you could access, forget what it was though. That was at least user friendly and functional. When I found sync is when I actually got heavy into reddit because something had solved all of reddits glaring issues.

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