Fuck Meta. Fuck OpenAI.
this post was submitted on 14 Dec 2024
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But maybe they can fuck each other a bit?
"Let them ~~fight~~ fuck"
Love it when I can upvote an entire comment chain.
Just cos meta supports it doesnt mean its bad. The enemy of my enemy etc etc
Yeah I mean zuck and musk don’t want it because it removes an extra hoop that OpenAI has to jump through to compete, but all said and done fuck all three of them for taking another leap in human achievement and making it a “profit for investors at any cost.” And fuck OpenAI especially for pretending that wasn’t the case all along
And fuck OpenAI especially for pretending that wasn’t the case all along
I'm not sure they were ever pretending. I saw another Lemmy post about the Musk-OpenAI email exchanges from 8 years ago.
They seemed very open that the long term plan was to become a for profit company. They said they weren't ready yet and rejected Elon's demand to make him majority owner and merge with Tesla.
Elon's biggest enemy is his own ego and wanting to be relevant
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And they make a valid point. Imagine if all startups started as non profit, raised their assets with tax reduction, and then decided to go for profit when it suited them? That’s tax evasion.
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Meta sucks, but here they are very right
Meta sucks, but here they are very ~~right~~ hypocritical*
Don't worry fam I got you
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Meta is just trying to protect their intellectual property, meaning everything anyone has created on any of their platforms.
Yep, they own all of it, including every single comment anyone has written on Whatsapp.
they're also making their own ai and don't want openai to keep being better
Ironic they are demanding government regulation / interdiction.
Big corp loves regulation of its competition most of all.
don't just block them. force all AI companies that use online content for research to move to a nonprofit and require them to provide their source code openly.
tax payer dollars paid to create that content so that means that AI is tax payer bought.
don't like it? train your models on a closed network that's behind a paywall.
Dont limit this to AI companies. All social media companies should be forced to become nonprofits and their code AGPL'd
But the AGPL does not prevent you from doing commercial activities
Being nonprofit also doesn't prevent you from doing commercial activities.
But i think the idea would be if they are forced to be nonprofit and their code open-sourced then there is now transparency in how their LLMs are trained and operate.
But it's a bit silly to try to make AI companies nonprofits to begin with since they could just go to another country with "better" laws if they are punished too heavily in one country.
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90% of Facebook content is AI generated content now. I cant even see what my friends are doing anymore. Makes me want to just delete it. But, I do occasionally see stuff from family and friends, which is the only reason I keep it. Some people I only stay in touch with through Facebook. But seriously, fuck that company.
You won't miss it, you think you will but you honestly won't.
Getting rid of Facebook was easily one of the best things I've done. The people that are important will find other ways to reach out.
It reminds me of Facebook friends who are worthless
Pull the plug, you won’t look back.
Hey, you left reddit, didn't you? Do you miss that?
I have only used groups to ask questions. Do people still do that, go browse the Facebook feed? I thought that's a grandma thing
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They love small government and maximum Freedom until they want the government to restrict somebody's freedom.
I've remembered Babylon 5 season 4 today. Specifically the part where the "good" Vorlons and the "bad" Shadows started erasing the shit out of worlds inhabited by lesser races who made the wrong choice of having traces of the opposing side.
Point being, you are being sarcastic about Republicans and rightfully so, but Clinton administration is the one that introduced mass surveillance in the USA, and now in Syria CNN praises HTS (Sunni jihadis) and Fox News highlight SDF (secular socialists). Though from what I've read, apparently they really honestly talk to each other, which is a surprising kind of coexistence, HTS leader's words I took with scepticism, but SDF leaders too say they have no problem with HTS. HTS is a mix of ex-al-Qaeda and ex-ISIS, that's how strange this is.
OK, politics again.
On the subject - I think turning a non-profit into for-profit while not letting go of datasets and such, legally allowed to be assembled in the context of it being non-profit, is kinda theft. So Facebook is right here. Circumstantially of course.
Hadn't considered the ethics of transferring data acquired as a non-profit. It's an interesting moral question - although I doubt this is Meta's motivation (which is simply to tamp down competition).
Well, for me it's the obvious first question. I guess I'm conditioned by, well, living in Russia, where something like this has led to the current regrettable situation.
Not sure which regrettable situation you're talking about there, but as an outsider Russia's current state seems like the product of a century of diverse developments.
I think America's current state is a combination of the public getting more stupid and the oligarchy taking advantage of it and encouraging it. I attribute the stupidity increase to entertainment addiction, starting small with radio and progressing through television and computers to the internet. Lots of people can't even even take a shit now without their little plastic rectangle to stare at.
OpenAI was a nonprofit?!?
It's a bit more complicated than that.
I think there's a for-profit part of the business and a non-profit part.
The non-profit part used to own the for profit with a majority stake afaik
let them fight
oh yeah, the "free" market
Why doesn't Meta want Open AI to be a for-profit company?
And are there any examples of a company that started as a non-profit becoming for-profit?
for profit would imply they can grow even faster due to having funds to expand its service. You would be against it if you plan on having your own competing AI service(which meta clearly does)
Meta has also released many top tier model to the open source community. To say "meta only oppose openai cuz they wanna create a service of their own" is quite frankely uninformed.
Meta is the reason so many researchers are able to work and make AI accessible to the everyday people. Without llama models, so much of research would not have been possible cuz openai never release their stuff under the guise of "safety".
Openai wants to monopolize and charge us whatever they want. And this going for-profit was part of their plan from the beginning. If only meta had not released their top tier models for absolutely free, openai would have had complete monopoly.
Also saying for profit structure would allow them to have more fund is like saying having a gun will allow a robber to have more funds.
The funds will come from consumers, for profit would mean they will have an easier time ripping off the people without too much scrutiny
none of this doesn't refute anything ive said. the whole point to prevent open ai from getting profit is to prevent it from getting big to the point that the rest are worthless. anyone who has a foot in AI would not want open ai to go for profit, as that on its own is a limiter to how fast it can grow. Strictly speaking, any non-profit organization has a significantly harder time to expand than ones that are for profit.
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It seems like besides Linux itself, most successful open source projects go for profit. When users don't like the changes, they fork and keep going.
Like MySQL going for profit with a sell out to Oracle and MariaDB becoming the most popular fork of MySQL.
Not true, many big open source projects stay open.
A good example… PyTorch. Which Meta funds.
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