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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah, Jesus actually said you should pay taxes. Give Ceaser's things to Ceaser and God's things to God.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

True, but he didn’t say that paying taxes would get you off the hook for helping your neighbor and taking care of the poor.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I've read an interesting book that suggests the apostle Paul, or Saul of Tarsus was a Roman plant, a double agent meant to divide the Christian sect.

From his sudden conversion to all subversive things he wrote in his letters, it seems like he's introduction subservience to Rome into the creed.

Read in that manner, he would be amazed that not only the christians embraced those aspects of his, but that they in time managed to become the main faith of the Roman empire and supercede it by a mile.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Interesting! What’s the book’s name?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's called 'Alias Paulus' bij Thijs Voskuilen. Unfortunately it's not translated in english.

[–] solsangraal 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

LOL yea let's laugh at literally every other 1st world country with universal healthcare while we pay thousands a year for insurance that doesn't pay out

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

At least we aren't CoMmUnIsT tHo!

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why not both? Pursue the social safety nets, but realize no government will do it just right so help out people directly with your time, talent and money.

And just because a government won't do it right is no excuse to not try anyway.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Totally agree. This was the reason I posted it

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can see why the dude is confused, Jesus straight up said "give your money to the Romans" at some point. Stop giving mixed messages bro.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He did not say to give all of your money to them though. He said to give the Romans just the portion that is owed them (and by extension, to anyone you owe money to).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One might note that Judea was conquered territory that frequently rebelled and he was executed for treason, because, among other things, it was treason to deny that the Emperor was a god which is a small problem under Abrahamic faiths.

One might also note that in that context "What is Caesar's" could be responded to with "nothing."

[–] ReadMoreBooks 3 points 6 days ago

One might also note that in that context "What is Caesar's" could be responded to with "nothing."

The New Testament is mostly Jesus then Paul repeatedly telling everyone with increasing amounts of frustration,

Reason from principles to situation for yourselves.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It’s a common misconception that governments need to collect tax money so that they can finance public works.

In reality, any government that issues its own currency can technically spend as much as it wants to, whether it has the tax base to balance it out or not.

The only reasons to tax are to limit inflation, balance the wealth distribution, and maintain an incentive for people to actually care about your currency.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

States that governments don't need taxes to finance stuff

Lists reasons why governments really do need to do so and that not doing so is a terrible idea

Refuses to elaborate

Leaves

What did he mean by this?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Printing your own money is equivalent to a flat tax, which is bad for the poors.

But you're spot on, taxes are meant for wealth redistribution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wealth is pinned to production and currency is pinned to wealth. You fundamentally misunderstand what wealth, money, and power are and how they function in society. Alienation from society and idealism distort the nature of these subjects. You're right to question the way these things function, but you'll not get much further than MMT or other idealist cul du sacs. If you want to understand how wealth operates as a basis for society, they you'll need to start to study Marx

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nobody who says this has ever given housing to the poor or kept a poor family fed. Also, nice use of equating a conquering empire to your own government, as if those were anything closely equal.

I'll do Jesus' principals with my actions. You can stick to your platitudes.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

Do you honestly think modern superpowers are not "conquering empires?" If so, I worry what you think about "Jesus' principals [sic]."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I just realised I'm at the point where I would probably be okay with the Romans conquering my government and usurping it's roles

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ew, this is just an evangelical right wing talking point. Also who the fuck cares what "Jesus" said can we stop talking about it literally forever thanks

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

No, no; haven't you heard? if we don't read the Bible^(TM)^, there's nothing to stop us from killing and raping everyone we meet. ^/s^

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Don't be silly, they don't take care of the poor and hungry.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

#mutualaid #conquestofbread