Realistically? It’s far more likely that they’re trying to send a message considering how many people have elevated this dude into hero status. In their minds, if he’s not put down, a trend is likely to bet set.
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I think the wrong message will be sent.
The message will be "if you're going to off a CEO, you might as well include the whole board and any other CEO you can because the punishment is the same."
"The punishment for one murder is the same as the punishment for several murders is the same as the punishment for looking at the governor funny; It's just death." - Civvie11
Unlike school shooters. They want kids to look up to school shooters
Yeah, threaten millennials and gen z with death... That'll go the way you think it will.
that's not justice, though. why should he be punished for something someone else might do?
The January 6th insurrection of 2020 was orchestrated and led by Donald Trump. Several nobodies have been charged and imprisoned over their miniscule contributions to the attack on our government. But the ringleader, the orchestrator, the figurehead behind it all faced no charges, no consequences, and was just reappointed to the highest office in the land. We don't need Luigi to see that there is no justice inherent in the system. Justice is blind (to the misdeeds of the wealthy).
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The law isn't about morality or social good or promoting the general order; it's about power and who wields it. The law is fundamentally a vehicle through which those who stand atop social hierarchies can command, exploit, and do violence to those less powerful. A CEO can kill tens of thousands of Americans every year with a pen and that isn't murder: a coal company can poison generations and that isn't murder: a police department can force homeless people to flee from place to place until they die from exposure and that isn't murder. The law exists to protect and promote the interests of the powerful, because that is what legal systems are designed to do.
And that's why we fight back where we can and weaponize what we can; that's why we use jury nullification in cases like these.
It wasn't Luigi.
Can confirm, was playing couch split screen Madden with him all night. We drank a few beers and he crashed in the spare room
..and believe you me your honor, I am a light sleeper and always wake up when the front door opens and closes in this apartment.
Ultimately, there is a better strategy to jury nullification:
https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf
TL;DR: It is most effective to plant seeds of doubt when reasonable, and legitimate ones. For this particular case, it would be the fact that the eyebrows don't match between pictures, the police said they had found the backpack in NY only to then say they found him with his backpack at McDonalds, the fact that Luigi claims shit was planted on him and the police have a running history of planting evidence to suit their needs, etc.
You’re absolutely right, I was conflating the manhunt and trial.
The faces don’t match, and keeping the gun would be my reasonable doubt. No reason to keep something you can print again anytime. The police’s history speaks for itself, no verdict
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It's because the elite got afraid and they need to set an example now so that the masses don't get stupit ideas.
So they're going to make a martyr instead?
Yeah that’s going great lmao
Exactly! They're trying to stop the revolution before it has a chance to start.
Crank it up to dozens of CEOs. Apparently if it's normal, it's not a problem
They're letting us know what hurts them. I wanna hear their moans more!
(Verse 1) When the kids hit the floor, but they ask us for more, That's Amer'ca. When the lives of the poor are ignored by the law, That's Amer'ca.
(Chorus) Watch them plead, watch them die, while the courts close an eye, That's Amer'ca. If the rich man falls, then the gallows will call, That's Amer'ca.
(Verse 2) You can slaughter a class, and they’ll let it all pass, That's Amer'ca. But for one CEO, they’ll demand death row, That's Amer'ca.
(Chorus) Where the guilty walk free, and the children just bleed, That's Amer'ca. If your crime’s against power, you’re gone in an hour, That's Amer'ca.
(Bridge) It’s a system of lies where the powerless die, And their screams hit the sky, unanswered, denied, That’s Amer’ca.
(Outro) So remember the game, it’s a broken refrain, That's Amer'ca. When a life’s worth is weighed by the dollars displayed, That's Amer'ca.
I hope you intended this to be to the tune of "that's amore" because that's what happened in my head
That's what came to my mind for some reason, reading the post.
Source for anyone interested. I was initially confused since New York got rid of the death penalty decades ago, but it's from a new federal charge I hadn't seen yet.
As far as I can find they haven't officially said they're pursuing the death penalty for this charge just that this charge is eligible for it. I see no other reason for it though.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/dec/19/luigi-mangione-eligible-death-penalty-new-federal-/
They're going to do everything in their power to ensure he doesn't get a jury of his peers.
Damn. They are genuinely scared shitless by this. They are not pulling any punches either. And there is nothing more dangerous than a group of powerful people who are scared.
This is why the constitution has an amendment about cruel and unusual punishment. But we know that those in power have (decades-) long abandoned the constitution.
I believe the genuine terrorism has been the US gov, and it’s been a long time in the making. They’ve spent generations conditioning us all that it’s somebody else’s dilemma. I hope their fervor to scare us back in line backfires extraordinarily.
Wait. The federal government still has death penalty?
In the US, yes. It's pretty contentious and hasn't been used much.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/state-and-federal-info/federal-death-penalty
Unsurprisingly a large number of them occured under Trump's administration.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_federal_government
Yeah, that's why actually charging Trump for the insurrection would be so much of an issue. It would make him an enemy of the state, and anyone who aided him would be considered guilty of treason. The sentence for Treason is life or death. (Life in prison, or the death penalty)
One could argue that giving money to someone is aid .. thereby all of the GOP would be guilty of treason... And that would throw us into chaos
He is an enemy of the State, in the most literal sense of the phrase. He tried to overthrow the legitimate government FFS!
Holy shit, that’s serious. Thankfully he’s supposedly rich, so non of this applies to him. Instead he gets another 4 years of insurrection.
Well this time he didn't need an insurrection, the American people just gave him the job back knowing what he did previously. The fact that no one even tries to say he is a decent person or a good person, and he's who got picked, says a lot about our population.
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I'm still trying to figure out where the federal jurisdiction is in a simple murder, it's not a serial thing, a hate crime, or a crime conducted across state lines. Could the federal government really just be charging anyone with simple murder?
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I wonder if the next shooter, if they survive the attack, will also be paraded around the same way. Hopefully we find out sooner than later.
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They hanged John Brown too.
There is a sickness in blind faith to hierarchy.
There is fallacy in the belief that things rightfully live above others.
There is madness in the mind who puts such weight of importance on a single individual whom, before his death, most did not know his name.
He was man, not a god, and he had to be shown that.
The main purpose of law enforcement is to protect property, but their second job is to protect the wealthy. So if someone manages to harm the wealthy, they take that personally.
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It's a bit absurd to me to compare the charges to the end result.
What are some examples of school shooters in a capital punishment state (or who were charged federally) whose prosecutors did not try to pursue a death sentence?
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If they kill him, this is it.
People keep parroting this statement. I'm so confused because it does not hold up to any scrutiny.
If you think for 5 seconds, school shooters aren't charged with the death penalty because they overwhelmingly kill themselves or die during the shooting. They are also usually children, which might get them more lenient sentences.
This type of surface level logic just makes the supporting side look bad. There are far better comparisons to draw from
FWIW I'm not advocating for school shooters to get the death penalty.
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