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hey nerds, I'm getting myself a new personal laptop as a treat, but I very much do not want windows 11 shitting it up. Is there a linux distro with caveman-compatible instructions for installation and use? I want to think about my OS as little as possible while actually using it.

I've got one friend who uses mint, but I've also seen memes dunking on it so who knows. I actually really only know what I've seen from you all shitposting in other communities

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 minutes ago

I found the main issue with many non-rolling release distributions are the upgrade instructions from one stable release to the next, and not the difficulty of installing them.

I'm myself a Archlinux guy, but that does sometimes require some carefulness and regularly (at least weekly) applying updates and does not have stable automatic updates, so I started installing Fedora atomic desktop distributions (Fedora Silverblue/Kinolite/etc.) for people that just want to use their device for basic stuff.

The reason for that is long term maintainability without an expert at hand.

I had so many bad experiences updating distributions from one stable version to the next, be it Debian and Ubuntu-based, or Fedora-based distributions.

And with those atomic desktop distributions the amount of moving parts is much lower, so hopefully upgrading them to newer releases is much more stable.

So I would suggest giving Fedora Silverblue (Gnome desktop), Kinolite (KDE) or Budgie Edition a try.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 minutes ago

Been meaning to try CachyOS. It's a gamer friendly Arch based distro. Might be worth looking at. Distro doesn't really matter much at all. Desktop environment does. If you want HDR support KDE and GNOME are your only bet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)
  • Mint
  • Kubuntu
  • Fedora KDE Edition
  • OpenSuSE
  • Pop!OS

These are all easy to use desktop distros (or variants). Use them with their respective default desktop environment. Check screenshots first or try them out in a VM or via live USB before installation, to see whether you like the look&feel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

I use my laptop as a tool - no real idea how it works. If Linux nerds are mechanics then I’m just a taxi driver. Use mint. I do. Zero regrets. Caveman compatible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Mint gets dunked on for being slow and HDR variable refresh rate and Wayland is not on the cutting edge. Nobody hates it for being stable though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

to be fair you can always remove gnome-keyring and it will go 20x faster. Found out the hard way. I wasn't aware mint had it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 41 minutes ago

Huh; any idea why that, of all things, would slow everything down?

[–] sp3tr4l 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I just set up Nobara.

Shockingly straightforward.

Entire install process was very simple, with a GUI, then a neat little post install app that gives you another very straightforward GUI for running your first batch of system updates.

... Oh, and I was able to do this on a SteamDeck, without an external mouse or keyboard.

Nobara has a SteamDeck edition now.

The install process has a bit of Deck specific jank, basically i just had to change the screen UI scaling level from 175% to 100%, it defaulted to 175% when booting from the SD card i wrote the ISO to...

And then there's a bit of jank doing initial updates off the 'bare metal' install, because the SteamKeyboard overlay thingy will prompt your admin password for a system access prompt... which will disable most of the SteamDeck inputs for everything other than Steam untill you input your password to allow it to work.

The work around I figured for this is... when that prompt comes up, you push the steam button and hamburger menu button on the physical deck until you get Steam in big picture mode.

Then your controls all work in Steam.

Then you close Steam.

Then your mouse works via trackpad on the desktop, but the X button to bring up the SteamKeyboard does not.

So then you open Steam again.

Now the SteamKeyboard does work, and you can type in your admin pass to the system access prompt.

I had to do this silly process a number of times through the initial set up 0.o

I eventually set Steam to not automatically launch itself, and now that all the updates have gone through, I just have to mouse (trackpad) over to manually open Steam when I am in desktop mode and then give Steam the admin pw for the keyboard to work... just once per desktop session now that its all set up.

Probably I also could have gone back into gaming mode and just bound a button to whatever button combo Nobara/Fedora uses as a shortcut to open the actual Nobara/Fedora virtual keyboard, but I could not figure out what this key combo actually is lol.

But uh if you're just looking for an OS for a standard desktop PC, everything I've outlined in the above spoiler is not gonna be a problem, and you'll likely have a very straightforward install process.

I'm also a fan of Nobara's default UI... kind of a gnomeified KDE?

As well as its default apps, built in DeckyLoader and plugins for the Deck, ProtonPlus for runtime environments, and of course its built in kernel customizations/optimizations for to play vidya gaem.

Oh, and I went with Nobara over the default SteamOS because SteamOS on a Deck is a read only OS by default...

You can install flatpaks, but if you want to actually install new core packages, those will get wiped with a SteamOS update... or you have to use DistroBox... which may also get wiped on an update?

Not sure, but Nobara allowse to use the deck as both a Deck and a more standard desktop linux PC with more customizability... and not having to rely on the AUR, which I find incredibly frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Nobara is pretty painless. Fedora without having to dink with adding repos and fixing graphics drivers. A pile of built-in tweaks for making gaming work out of the box.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 13 hours ago

I've done dozens of distros and Linux mint is the most familiar, unexciting, and stable one I have found. Ignore the hate. Real Linux fans don't care how you participate in open source, other than being toxic. Consequently, do whatever you want and install whatever seems like it would be something you'd want to use.

Id highly suggest having a separate hard drive for Linux as it can be easy to break dual boot if you don't know what you are doing. Last thing you want to do is panic and decide you need to reinstall Windows.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 14 hours ago

When first coming from Windows, starting with Mint is the safest bet for a good transition because things will work pretty much as you expect them to, and there's a very helpful forum if you have any questions. But I always say to try several distros and Desktop Environments to see how you like them. Everyone is different and it's all a matter of preference.

I suggest that once you've got whatever distro you decided on up and running, install a virtual machine software such as Boxes (very simple) or Virtual Box (a little more complicated but with more options). Then just download various distros and make VMs for them to try them out easily. Have fun!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago

You got a lot of distro recommendations from across the spectrum and it's honestly hats to go wrong with any of them. It's mostly a matter of preference. As such I'll give you two pieces of advice:

  1. Set up a multi-boot flash drive (assuming you're currently using Windows, YUMI is a great utility) so that your can try a bunch of them and see what jives with you most. A great feature of Linux installers of that you can actually run the entire OS, full-featured, from the ISO. So grab a whole slew of them, throw them on the flash drive, and spend some time taking them for a spin.
  2. Do your research on compatibility. Laptop makers often don't make Linux drivers, so the latest hardware has compatibility problems until the community covers the gap. There are also some laptop manufacturers that have Linux in mind when they make their products, like System 76 and Framework.

Good luck! IMO getting into Linux for the first time is a fun journey. Enjoy it!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Go ahead with mint. It's the only distro I know with a fully featured setup wizard that holds your hand through the entire process. I am confident anyone who has used computers can use it.

But honestly, most modern distros are about as difficult as picking up an iOS/android phone for the first time. There are different ways of doing things, but they're still phones and can't be too different anyway. Same with mint, it's just a computer, it isn't all that different.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I second mint, back when I had more time to fuck with such things I distro hopped like crazy, mint is easy and it just works

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's the only distro I know with a fully featured setup wizard that holds your hand through the entire process.

Ubuntu, Fedora, Nobara(Fedora fork by GloriousEggroll of proton-ge), Garuda Arch, Pop!OS. Those are just the few I've personally fiddled with.

Highly recommend Garuda, Nobara and Pop!, in that order, for gaming.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

No it can't be. I'm using fedora right now and it drops me into the GNOME desktop with nothing. The GNOME tours barely count, they just tell you to login to your dropbox or smth.

Have you seen the mint one? It's actually dummies proof. Full "It's my first day on linux" step-by-step guide. Everything from updating, setting themes, backups, installing nvidia drivers is in there. All relevant choices are meticulously explained.

I'm so certain of its coverage, I recommend mint to internet strangers because I genuinely believe it's sufficient even for the lowest common denominator. I can drop mint on any rando and fully trust that the Mint setup wizard will hold their hands through their first day on Linux.

I last switched distros 3 years ago, and the wizard definitely wasn't on popOS or Ubuntu either.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I've got one friend who uses mint, but I've also seen memes dunking on it so who knows. I actually really only know what I've seen from you all shitposting in other communities

Every distro gets shit on in memes, because each distro does things its own way that some don't agree with. As a new user, most of that doesn't matter much, the biggest changes between distros are how stuff works in the background. What matters more is your choice of Desktop Environment (DE). Essentially "the coat of paint on top". Most distros offer a couple different options when downloading the ISO, or when installing it.

I'd reccomend starting out by trying GNOME and KDE Plasma (if they're easily available for your distro), with GNOME being slightly more macOS-like, and KDE being somewhat similar in feel to Windows. Those are "the big two" DEs, but there's plenty of other options available if you don't like them.

As for distros, whatever works for you is the option you should go with. There's only two distros I recommend against using, Ubuntu (/ close derivatives) and Manjaro. Ubuntu is becoming extremely corporate, going against the "spirit" of a Linux distro. There's "Ubuntu Pro", a subscription for security updates, and "snap", an "alternative to" flatpak that forces you on Ubuntu managed repositories, along with many other issues. Manjaro is often marketed as "an easy Arch-based distro", but is in fact only very loosely derived from Arch. This combined with Manjaro team's inability to maintain the distro properly, causes nothing but issues.

As for every other distro, if it's being updated, and it works for you, then it's a great option. Because that second one is very personal, there is no "single best Linux distro". I would personally suggest to check out Mint and Fedora, those are often great options.

As someone else mentioned, with a "new laptop", hardware compatibility may be an issue. Most distros allow you to try them off the USB before installing, that's probably a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I've been running Manjaro for about a decade and never had issues. Not saying they don't exist but I feel like the concerns are overblown.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

There's several online sources that compile some of the reasons why Manjaro is objectively a bad distro, here's one as an example: https://manjarno.pages.dev/

You're free to choose whatever you want on your system, I just reccomend against Manjaro (and Ubuntu).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I dare you to install Gentoo

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago

Mint is one of the best bets for beginners, it's very similar to windows 10 UI wise by default and generally very user friendly

[–] [email protected] 19 points 21 hours ago

Go with Mint, it's my daily drive on both my laptop and HTPC. If you choose the regular edition Ubuntu based you have also hardware enablement (hwe) kernels which could be useful on newer hardware.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I always recommend to beginners ElementaryOS. The name being coincidental. It is a relatively simple looking but very very elegant and polished interface. Give it a try.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Good old I can't believe it's not macos

[–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago

You can go with mint. It's a solid choice. I prefer opensuse tumbleweed since I find it easier to work with. It also has a great selection of desktop enviroments witch is the thing you interact with and what you use to manage your open programs. If you want something like modern windows you can go with KDE or cinnamon and if you want something more minimal and windoes XP like you can use xfce.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

ITT: 100 people naming their favourite distro and making that fit whatever OP needs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago

So far, people are being pretty reasonable. Most are recommending mint, ubuntu or similars, and no one recommended arch to someone with basic linux/computing skills. I have to say I'm impressed. Restored my faith in the community.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

That's numerous threads every day in every Linux-related forum. A lot of people cannot seem to distinguish a sincere recommendation based on stated needs frombjust the opportunity to proclaim their allegiance to their favorite.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

Fedora KDE. It's easy to setup, modern, customizable and fast. Second would be Mint, it's only flaws is that it ships an older kernel (might be a pain) and uses X11 (insecure).

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