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hey nerds, I'm getting myself a new personal laptop as a treat, but I very much do not want windows 11 shitting it up. Is there a linux distro with caveman-compatible instructions for installation and use? I want to think about my OS as little as possible while actually using it.

I've got one friend who uses mint, but I've also seen memes dunking on it so who knows. I actually really only know what I've seen from you all shitposting in other communities

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I'm very impressed by the work by the Elementary OS team. Linux is a beast to figure out, and while I've used Linux for 30 years, I remember how frustrating getting started was. I use Pop!_OS on my desktop machines today and Debian or Ubuntu for other machines and I've used dozens of desktops, but Elementary really does just work (and also also happens to be Debian / Ubuntu based).

It has the easiest install process, trouble free device support, and it starts you with guardrails that keep from breaking things, but can be turned off as you figure it out. Very Mac inspired experience, so not completely intuitive from Windows, but the reality of Linux is that you are going to change distros over time, or even use multiple as each do a better job at dealing with niche requirements. Certaintly not the one size that fits no one that is the current Windows 11 debacle.

https://elementary.io/

Edit: Wine math last night, it was summer of 1994 so 30 years, not 35 😅. It was on my new AMD 486DX4/100 with VLB and getting X to work was no picnic. A friend gave me the CD ROMs so at least I wasn't using dialup to download it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You used Linux two years before it was released?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What spec of laptop are you thinking of getting?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Still shopping around, so nothing's set in stone. I'm not much of a hardware guy either, so the best I could tell you is just that I'm looking for something a step or two above 'bare minimum' for 2025. An SSD, fair bit of ram, ports for external storage so I can actually boot with another OS, maybe enough guts to run skyrim modded to the gills. Somewhere in that ballpark.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you're getting a laptop with a graphics card, make sure you go with something by AMD. Nvidia cards will work fine enough, though for a whole host of different reasons, AMD is generally preferred for Linux.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

good insight, thanks

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If you're running an Nvidia gpu, then Linux Mint is great for not needing to deal with setup issues.

If you're going with an AMD gpu or no gpu at all, then i actually recommend Garuda Linux. It's Arch-based so you may need to keep up with the updates more often. But you'll get access to the AUR, a centralized* repository for just about every program you'll need to install. I personally find it and pacman easier to use than apt.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

mint is probably where you want to be. if you have performance issues with mint, consider MX Linux, AntiX, and EndeavourOS, in that order.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’ve been using Mint and Pop!_OS on two different machines for a few years.

Neither has really required much from me as the user, although I have needed to use the terminal once on each of them.

Personally, I really like the way Pop does window tiling and workspaces.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Don't get mint if you'll get a remotely capable laptop or plan to game on it. Its so called 'modern' desktop environment (wich still defaults to the old X window system) feels awful to use imo and while the 'retro' ones are better there's no point in using them on a new laptop. Choose a distro that ships with KDE, GNOME, or a wlroots based desktop environment.

I've also had driver issues with it that didn't happen with Ubuntu or arch.

Pretty much every distro has a caveman compatible installer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I can’t disagree with mint being a good distribution, because it is.

I personally think for someone just starting out in Linux that an immutable distribution like fedora silverblue (gnome) or kinoite (kde) is the safest route to take. They’re difficult to break. I personally use bazzite on my framework laptop and it’s basically hassle free. Not for everyone, but they work well.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Any Debian/Ubuntu or fedora based distro will do you fine. I personally ran PopOS when I built my computer earlier this year and didn't have any issues with it

[–] rumba 5 points 2 days ago

Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora or one of the offshoots like Mint or Pop.

As long as you don't go too far into the weeds with Arch, Silverblue or NixOS, You're probably going to have a pretty decent experience, as long as you don't dig too far under the hood too early most things that you're going to want to try are just going to work out of the gate.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

to those suggesting mint, any particular reasons to choose between Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce versions?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I personally use Cinnamon, which has a similar feeling to Win10. Very satisfied with it on my desktop. From what I've heard XFCE also feels similar to Windows, but I simply have just used Cinnamon ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Cinnamon or Xfce are more similar to Windows' user interface. Between those two, Xfce is more lightweight than Cinnamon. MATE is more for people who liked GNOME 2 and want that interface over what the current GNOME is.

Cinnamon would probably be the most friendly as a new user, but I personally haven't used it in years and I'm not familiar with its current state.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I usually recommend Zorin OS to noobs, but personally I prefer arch based

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Debian all day...

All these shiny new distros promising to make things easier and better... But nothing is easier and better than 30 years of rock solid stability and support.

Depending on how new the laptop is, it might not work on debian stable. Check your compatibility

From personal experience with a new laptop, the intel meteor lake platform didnt work well with debian stable

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've never noticed any hate for Mint, it seems to be a pretty good option. It'll easily run on anything that was able to run Windows 10 (probably 8 too) and the default desktop environment Cinnamon is easy to navigate if you're coming from Windows. Even if you have some obscure piece of hardware with Mint being based on Ubuntu there's probably a tutorial you can follow to get it working.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Install a few and see which one you like the most. You can install several distros at the same time and they'll all appear in the boot menu. When I was deciding which distro to use on my laptop, I was dual booting Debian and Fedora, with one /home partition shared between both of them.

Mint and Fedora are good choices IMO. Everyone is different though :)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Mint was my beginner distro and is what I recommend. In my experience I was able to find a solution for most of my beginner problems by searching for a solution for mint.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

linux from scratch /s

Linux Mint is good, Pop_OS! is good, Fedora is good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The first time in installed mint I ruined the partitions on my laptop. But that was on me.

Look at screenshots of default interfaces and pick your fave bug distro. Can't go wrong with fedora, Ubuntu, mint, pop_os etc. mint would be good since you have a friend who uses it. When you want to know how to do something you can ask.

I run arch btw

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

TuxedoOS has been seamless, runs KDE, and all updates are checked for compatibility

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ubuntu. There are mixes of it but out of the box Ubuntu is about as straightforward a dist to install as possible and it is well supported.

That said "new laptop" and Linux are not always a match made in heaven. You might try it from a boot stick and confirm that things like the GPU, touch screen, touchpad, fingerprint reader, USB C / Lightning all work properly.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

TBH Ubuntu, or if you have an older/lower spec machine xubuntu

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Linux mint (Cinnamon is my fav). You can never go wrong.

Maybe

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Mint, Fedora

Run KDE if you consistently game, otherwise Gnome is good since you can leave every setting after setup with it

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