Boo him? Do you have any idea how progressive this was at the time???
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That one thing was progressive.
The literal Nazi shit he got up to, on the other hand...
Right, but this post is literally just about that one thing.. If you want to boo him for the other shit you might want to bring the other stuff up as actual context in the image and repost it with the new context.
Ford is one of the most fascinating people in recent history, it's a shame to boil him down to "antisemitic car man"
Reading through his wiki is like :D D: :D D: :D D:
The guy was the definition of a mad genius. An authoritarian anti-war socially progressive union-busting nazi. That description doesn't even make sense, but that's who he was.
This also points to why private businesses are better than publicly traded businesses. Private business owners can do whatever the fuck they like, good or bad, meanwhile public businesses are legally obligated to pursue profits above all else on behalf of their shareholders.
The better option is the co-opt.
Workers owning the business and working to make it better for themselves.
Still more progressive than Switzerland to this day. They have normalized 42.5h workweek. You need to work 8.5 hours to be considered a fulltime employee.
35 hour week ftw. Although many newer people I work with are on 37.5, they only get a half hour lunch.
Is a lunch break included here? In Germany it's the norm to work 40h, but (are obliged to) spend an additional 30 minutes there for lunch. So you're at work for 42,5h but only get paid for 40.
Nope, lunch is not included and unpaid (unless specified in contract, but virtually no one pays for lunch). Effectively ypu're at work for 9.5 -10 hours.
There's no such thing as a normalized workweek here in Switzerland. Most have 40-42h. The average are ~41h (edit: it seems that number is a few years old and it's now just shy of 40h - but it's too late in the evening to dig deeper). But yea, in certain jobs/industries, it can also be considerable more.
True it's not nkrmalised. That's my bad. All companies I met had more than 40h a week though. And even when I worked in a government owned company it was 42.5h
Exactly.
There are very good reasons to boo this man, but this isn't one of them. Lol
A lot of people are very ignorant about history. This is much better than 12 hours a day 6 days a week and getting paid next to nothing. He wanted his workers to be able to afford the cars they were making
Except the Haymarket Affair, which is a massive reason why we have the 8hr day was back in 1886
Wasn't it seen as progressive and liberating at the time since it helped cement the existence of the weekend?
Yeah, this was unheard of before.
Also, it's been 100 years. Can we shorten it again?
Right? We are literally in the 21st century, but still cling to the ideals and customs of the industrial revolution.
i think 4 days work week is being tested on many places. would be cool if it becomes a norm.
weekend wednesday with saturday and sunday also as weekends
Ford was innovative because he used the scientific method to find out how long the work-week should be from a factory-owners perspective.
And then he set it to that.
If you're a cog in a wheel in a factory that is still the ideal work-week from your owners perspective, sorry.
Maybe working class people should have their welfare prioritized over the profits of capitalists. Just a thought.
Unions are the real reason we have anything as workers, we just give Ford the credit for propaganda purposes.
Unions and threats. The haymarket affair was for this too and it’s anniversary is Labor Day in most of the world
Considering the manufacturing work weeks used to be 12-15 hour days, 7 days a week, that's a hell of an improvement.
Not the gotcha you think it is, Zoomer
This is really fucking stupid.
People needed to have time to actually buy and drive the cars they were building
tell that to the kids who made my shoes
You bought them
I used to tie an onion to my belt, that was the style in those days
Which was the style at the time..
Get it right, Philistine :p
My memory is not what it used to be
I applaud him it’s was insanely generous at the time. Outdated for most of todays work but a 4 day type work week etc wouldn’t have even been thought possible at the time.
Haymarket Affair, which was a massive contributor to why we have the 8hr work day was in 1886
I remember when this happened, like yesterday
I don't know what's going on anymore
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