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U.S. and international media outlets are repeating unsubstantiated claims that Palestinian fighters "beheaded" babies. These unverified assertions aren't just sloppy journalism — they are being used to justify a massacre.


One story has been dominating the U.S. and international media cycle for the past 24 hours. It has been repeated by pro-Israel activists, Israeli government officials, reporters, and anchors throughout the U.S. media and even alluded to by the President. The thing is — this story has not been confirmed in any way. It appears to come from a single source with a history of espousing calls for genocidal violence against Palestinians.

You have probably heard the story that Hamas fighters beheaded 40 Israeli children in the Kfar Aza community near Gaza. This story can be traced back to an article by Bel Trew, a reporter for The Independent. Trew entered Kfar Aza on October 10, soon after the Israeli army, and reported on Twitter that gunfire erupted just as they arrived. She is told by a member of the Israeli military that children were beheaded, but the article notes, “The Independent did not see evidence of this.”

The military source of this claim is Major David Ben Zion. According to his Twitter bio, he is the Deputy Head of the settler leadership organization, the Samaria Regional Council, and a member of the Board of Directors of the National Fund for Israel, a quasi-governmental agency used to acquire land in Palestine that is then made available exclusively for use by the Israeli state.

In this video clip, Ben Zion speaks directly to the camera. He says the soldiers found children with their heads cut off. He is incorrectly named on-screen in the video but is correctly named in the description below the video on YouTube.

In addition to his role in settler leadership, Ben Zion has a history of calls to genocidal violence.

Earlier this year, Israeli settlers carried out a so-called “reprisal attack” on the Palestinian village of Huwwara after an unknown Palestinian gunman killed two Israeli settlers. As we reported at the time, Israeli settlers launched a ‘pogrom’ on the night of February 26, attacking Palestinian homes and property in Huwwara, Burin, and across the Nablus area, burning houses, cars, vandalizing property, and assaulting Palestinians.

read more: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/there-is-no-proof-palestinian-fighters-beheaded-babies-the-only-source-is-a-radical-settler/

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[–] [email protected] 136 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Just a reminder that the last time we heard stories about people murdering innocent babies, it was complete bullshit. Keep your grains of salt handy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

"In her testimony, Nayirah claimed that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, remove the incubators and leave the babies to die.

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British-based global NGO, which published a report about the supposed killings[3] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors ... fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die."[4] Amnesty International USA reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement".[5]"

Edit This mass beheading story also now appears to be bullshit:

"Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack"

Source:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html

"CNN has pored through hundreds of hours of media posted online attempting to corroborate accounts of atrocities committed by Hamas. In one video, which CNN determined to be authentic but has not been able to geolocate, an assailant attacks an injured man with a garden tool in an attempt to behead him. But CNN has not seen anything that would appear to confirm the claims of decapitated children.

CNN also visited the ransacked ruins of Kfar Aza on Tuesday and saw no evidence of beheaded youths. Israeli officials have not released any photographs of the incident either."

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, that Kuwaiti story came to mind when I read the story about 40 children in a community of 160 people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, the math does work out... 160 people minus 40 kids = 120 adults or 60 couples.

40 kids on 60 couples seems very plausible.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also if people gave a shit to read the claim was 40 kids dead SOME beheaded.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas and Palestine were in the closet beheading babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the baby looked at you?!?!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Well, not for long, obviously

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The guy was called Ben ZION? That sounds like bad fiction.

Edit: I know this name is propably very common in Israel.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

More like Been Lyin amirite fellas

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It means "Son of Zion" so...

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] balderdash9 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that... Colin Powel with a crack vial?

[–] Cethin 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Supposedly yellow cake uranium, in case you're not joking, but it's just as likely crack.

[–] balderdash9 6 points 1 year ago

The heavies

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who cares? Facts are so last century. Who tells the best lie the loudest wins. Isn't that what you all wanted when you started rewarding media with clicks for the most rage-inducing bullshit instead of paying to actually get informed?

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

It's basically the same kind of atrocity propaganda as Iraqi troops killing babies in incubators in Kuwait. This stuff works because western racists are primed to believe this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/02/26/the-kuwaiti-incubator-hoax/35b1e882-f796-4acb-a106-9280a7dda521/

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

When Haaretz starts walking back accusations against the Palestinians, then you know they have to be bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Bothsides people aren't going to care if this is real or not. They've already decided which side they're on, everything else is a means to an end.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude... Have some faith in the ability for critical thought? Most people are idiots, but the truth really matters to the rest.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Every time I open up my message notifications, any hope I have of good faith on this website is reset to zero.

I wake up and check my notifications and half of them are removed and I check the modlogs to see, for good reason.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Hang in there. Critical thought, measured skepticism, and a desire to learn and understand before speaking, are all very quiet compared to what you encounter on public forums. Doesn't mean it isn't there.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which crazy "media" sources are saying this?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Alwaysthesamemap.jpeg

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

And no one anywhere was (should have been) surprised.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Like the settlers who were kicking palestinians from their homes and literally taking possession of these houses? 109 and it was never your fault?

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