Yup. Sounds like Australia. Proudly admitting they're racist, and afraid even of a symbolic gesture that has no actual power in the parliament. I'm just embarrassed that it is now official.
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After a definite disinformation campaign with a side of racist fear mongering...ffs. I'm embarrassed to be an Australian.
Here in the European press, I read that many Aboriginals also opposed it. They want recognition, land transfers or compensation.
To really reconcile over past wrongs, I get that. There needs to be something substantive and I think something like that will only be possible when most boomers are gone.
We have similar debates over our colonial and enslaving past.
The point is that this would have given them a path toward voicing those sorts of things, directly to the people who can actually do something about it.
It could have been the start to a lot of great change, it was a simple easy thing to do
Sure, I understand the idea and it would have been good if it passed.
But they can still voice their opinions, we have free speech, and change in the future is still possible.
Who is "we" that has free speech, because that isn't exactly what Australia has.
Australia does not have free speech and you are delusional to believe that.
In 2003, CSIRO senior scientist Graeme Pearman was reprimanded and encouraged to resign after he spoke out on global warming. The Howard government was accused of limiting the speech of Pearman and other scientists.
And... Oh wait never mind.
As others have stated, we explicitly don't have free speech in Australia.
We also don't have any laws requiring political campaigns to be truthful. And as we saw, the day after the vote was done. All the leaders of the "No" campaign flat out abandoned indigenous people and explicitly said they wouldn't be fronting a new referendum for recognition in the constitution without the voice. A promise they made repeatedly.
The leader of the opposition who spearheaded the no campaign has been called a fascist by his peers. And once commented that if elected he would do away with parliament and elections if he could.
Many is a bigger word than I would use. Some definitely did, but no group of people has a homogeneous opinion of what the right next actions on any big issue are, and it's kind of weird anyone would expect otherwise. Overall I got the impression that ATSI Australians supported the change, but others may not have felt it looked that way based on what they saw.
only be possible when most boomers are gone.
20 years ago I believed that might be true. Since then i have learnt to never rely on it being about age. Imcreased age can correlate with increased power and the reluctance to change the system to increase competition, but age isn't the cause of stagnant beliefs. In 50 years time there will still be a generation of old people afraid of social change and a bunch of younger people who are the same or just think change is not in their personal best interest, even though it's an entirely different set of people.
We're all going to have to do a lot more than just keep waiting for the elderly to shuffle off the mortal coil if we want something different for the future.
Studies of Millenials show that we are not growing more conservative as we age, and neither did boomers.
It's more that, what is currently considered progressive becomes conservative and new progressive positions emerge.
Boomers didn't suddenly become opposed to interracial marriages or premarital sex or divorce or against gay people or minorities as they aged. The generations before them had those issues and now that those generations are gone, those issues are no longer issues.
And now the issues are more things like trans rights, reparations, climate justice, etc.
those issues are no longer issues.
Maybe not in AU, but they very much are in other places.
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The numbers were about 80+% of First Nations people are for it.
They may/do want recognition, land transfers or compensation, but voting No helped ensure they wouldn't get anything in the future.
Over 63% of indigenous people voted in favour of the voice.
You are repeating propoganda.
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This is a very sad day in Australia’s history. Many of us thought we were a more progressive nation than we are.
As a POC, I am not surprised, but I was still optimistic because there was no way to vote "no" without looking like a racist cunt. Well turns out Australia has no problem with looking like a bunch of racist cunts.
Try and tell them they're a bunch of racist cunts tho... Then you'll see hypocrisy too!
We are more progressive. The trouble is the amendment was too vague and if anyone asked questions or suggested that they might vote no, they got called a racist and told to educate themselves.
The Yes campaign ended up mostly using the argument that you should vote yes because conservative are telling you to say no.
It's a toothless advisory body that could make (ignorable) representations to parliament about matters relating to the indigenous community. What else do you need to know?
There were 2 main issues for me.
- The wording did not specify how they would be selected.
- The voice did not require that the members needed to be Aboriginal. So it would have been a bunch of non Aboriginal mates of politicians in the voice. Just like how Tony Abbott got to be the minister for women.
The yes campaign just said trust us it will do nothing so you don't need to worry. What was the point then?
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Looking over the r/Australia comments on this referendum has been fascinating. Apparently acknowledging indigenous people in the constitution is giving them special privileges and it was a bad idea to launch this because the average Australian had no idea what this campaign was about as if googling it is so fucking hard. Sorry aboriginal people, but you made me have to use Google so you don't get any say now.
tfw all those jokes about Australians being racist is put to a national referendum and turn out to be true.
It's interesting to see the breakdown by electorate. Electorates close to Melbourne and Sydney cbds voted yes. The further out of vic and nsw, the more the no grows.
Qld, wa, NT and SA didn't have the same problem. Blanket no.
Tldr, the progressive part of the country that wants this is city focused. The rest of the country has a long way to go.
This is true in the entire world.
Electorates close to Melbourne and Sydney cbds voted yes.
The centre of Sydney has one of the largest populations of ATSI people, not sure about Melbourne, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true there too.
I think it's easier to see people as people when you live closely with a lot of different variations on the base model.
Jimmy Carr was on Joe Rogan (I know he's awful but it was a decent episode) recently and was talking about how Hitler worked out propaganda works best when the "other" feels alien, which is why he closed down clubs in the 30s. Seeing Jews as "one of us" through clubs and hospitality made the propaganda against them ineffective because they were just seen as one of the people and this Hitler guy was just a nut, the whole movie cabaret being about it.
I think you're right. Melbourne is an amazing melting pot of people, so it's difficult to be not emphatic towards a cause that would improve their QOL
There are very few in inner city Melbourne.
A toxic mix of the social heritage of brutal colonialism, domestic racism, and the trolling money from China and Russia.
Follow the money.....fossil.fuel and other mining extraction companies would lose if the first nations took more control of parts of land
Marketing, image, and ads are everything with these kinds of things. Seems like the "Yes" campaign fucked that up.
From the article it seemed that a big criticism of the amendment was that it was too vague. There were people from different political beliefs and some aboriginals who didn't like how vague it was, though the aboriginals wanted it to further.
That's because it was a constitutional amendment.
The legislation (details) that would come out afterwards has been out for 6-7 months now.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Supporters of the Yes vote had hailed it as an opportunity to accept the outreached hand of First Nations people and to work with them to solve problems in their most remote communities – higher rates of suicide, domestic violence, children in out-of-home care and incarceration.
Constitutional experts, Australians of the Year, eminent retired judges, companies large and small, universities, sporting legends, netballers, footballers, reality stars and Hollywood actors flagged their endorsement.
Aussie music legend John Farnham gifted a song considered to be the unofficial Australian anthem to a Yes advertisement with a stirring message of national unity.
Kevin Argus, a marketing expert from Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT), told CNN the Yes campaign was a “case study in how not to message change on matters of social importance.”
Argus said only the No campaign had used simple messaging, maximized the reach of personal profiles, and acted decisively to combat challenges to their arguments with clear and repeatable slogans.
Maree Teesson, director of the Matilda Center for Research in Mental Health and Substance Use at the University of Sydney, told CNN the Voice to Parliament had offered self-determination to Indigenous communities, an ability to have a say over what happens in their lives.
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Every news article I see anymore makes me lose a little more faith in humanity. I don’t have much left…
good for you, you still have some. I have zero faith. Now I'm just waiting for ELE or aliens to wipe us out.
Relying on scared white supremacists to not be white supremacists is foolish.
So, what does a right way to accomodate indigenous groups look like? Has any country accomplished it?
What rights or opportunities are these groups lacking?
A good way to start would be making sure they have adequate political representation. Shutting them out of the politically. When you don't get a groups voice in when making decisions that can lead to consequences. Big issues that aboriginals face in extremely high unemployment, decaying infrastructure and high incarceration rates.
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