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As the title said. I'm only curious as I am in a pickle on whether I should be wary of dogmatism and the like when talking about modern China.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

More principled Maoists give critical support to China for their anti-imperialist struggle, similar to how MLs give critical support to Russia.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I suppose you can, but I'd question myself more why I consider myself a Maoist rather than a Leninist. I'll leave a really nice article that talks about Maoism, and why Mao used the term Mao Zedong Thought, rather than the other way around. China is a Marxist Leninist unitary democratic centralist nation without a doubt, there shouldn't be critical support, but support indeed.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say all support should be critical, but it should be limited to actual criticism, not "China is imperialist because trade"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Actually sweaty, it's because China doesn't give billions in funds and munitions to my personal Maoist insurgency! We have a whole 20 people in our group, we've practically already won our PPW! China hates us because they are revisionist (and Xi Jinping never responds to my emails asking for help :'( )

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

MZT (Mao-Zedong-Thought) - pro modern china

MLM (Marxism-Leninism-Maoism) - Very anti modern china, and every other socialist experiment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually what's with modern China? Why people call it Red Capitalist nation? And what went wrong?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there are a lot of capitalists in China, but they don't control the state; they have power on a local level, but unlike in capitalist countries, the ultimate authority lies with the various branches of government and aside from individual cases of corruption, members of the CPC are, and represent, workers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ohh..then it's good only right? Why liberals call china as red capitalist country? And is china really a communist state?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most liberals have no real knowledge of China's political system. They see that China has billionaires and, lacking an understanding of what capitalism actually is, assume that China is capitalist. They're also heavily influenced by bourgeois anti-China propaganda, which means they have an extremely negative, distorted view of China, and any attempt to explain what China actually is will often be dismissed.

As for whether it's communist, it depends on definition. Marx had a concept of a lower stage of communism and a higher stage of communism, the latter being a society without classes, money or a state; this is practically impossible to achieve in a single country as long as the threat of imperialism exists. In my experience, "communism" usually refers to this higher stage (with this definition, "communist state" is an oxymoron), and "socialism" refers to the lower stage. With this distinction, there has never been a communist country. China is led by a communist (Marxist-Leninist) party and is in a very early stage of socialism -- class distinctions still play a very significant role, but only because the proletarian government temporarily allows it (for a variety of reasons, including to gain access to foreign technology and to appease the imperial core until China was able to withstand sanctions and conventional warfare).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
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