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Was it natural and expected for Reddit, a titanic website of the Internet to get hit with a fatal blow- with user-induced blackouts and third-party abandonments?

To answer this;
we should look at what Web3 itself means. ^sounds_of_booing^

Listen now- this isn't the "cryptohell" or "Zuckburg" that we think of. What we mean here is decentralization, user-built environments and unity.

Decentralization may sound like a cryptogimmick to some, but I assure you that it is an already big part of the web here. Decentralization is, as the name suggests, a form of liberation from any centralized sources, like big companies, goverments, "the elite", etc.. It is the platform itself being sustained on its users rather than a single entity that has all the saying of a platform.

This freedom is really enticing, especially today- as more and more people feel exploited by many "centralized" strong entities, with companies that harvest your data, attempting to turn their users into products- companies that attempt to rain you down with ads, and/or needless products born out of near-pure consumerism.

Reddit, despite being centralized- stands on user-made content. That is what "Reddit" is in the first place. The company makes money from it, grows from it, and is expected to make the environment- Reddit, better. But we struggle seeing that, maybe because there is little flow back to the website quality itself (lol). The environment, its users can't have a saying of. The "center", keeps changing it, and the changes just push it more away from the users. User-built environments are hard to manage, but allows the users themselves to change the place as how they see fit- benefiting for them and other users. Because it is not like they can make money or similar means of gains out from a decentralized place that easily- This does mean less sponsors and monetary motivation for the devs (this is actually a rather big problem in foss...) but this also means direct growth out of passion and benevolance, the devs working for the gains of all.

We are strong when united- when we work together keeping this place up. Either with code, donations, content, activity or just some other stuff in general- This place, the website, the "environment", is kept by the very users and the unity that is born out of it will keep and change this place up.

This is Web3- born out of Web2's user-content websites, when the users themselves are finally uniting to shape the Internet as how they see fit. Not mega-corps, wonky gov'ts, "alphabet agencies" or just overall financially powerful out-of-touch Scrooge McDuck wannabe potential DC comic villains. We are, as the content-makers of those websites, are capable of making our own places, meant for us and others.

This is what Web3 is meant to be: Made by websurfers, for websurfers.

...

Recently, Reddit broke down. Many are here for this reason, and almost all here know the reason for that- The website tried to mess with its users. API costs being higher (most likely, trying to be the devil's advocate here) due to company-tax, more targeted ads to rack in more money- money that doesn't flow back into making the website better, and many changes that are explicitly anti-consumer, forcing people to make accounts and make them use their app, to more directly harvest user data, and the way Reddit is currently handling "the Blackout" by simply doubling down, choosing to ignore what keeps Reddit alive.

And now? Well...

Disregard my title. Reddit isn't going anywhere.

Reddit isn't dying. There is a big hit, but the titan can't die with a single punch- it wasn't fatal, not even close. The stock of Reddit, the userbase- it may be well back to "normal" in just a few days.

It was rather unnatural however, for a protest of this size to occur. Some may think many "plebbit" users are quite contempt with what they are given, especially knowing how consumerist they are (funko pop momen), or how they would regard Lemmy as just an "Odysee", an "alternate" to Reddit. Knowing the amount of people rushing here, I can say this is... a happy suprise.

But despite it being a suprise, it was still expected. Sounds like a weird oxymoron, but it was. You do expect people to act like this when pressured from big corps like Reddit- I mean, this isn't Reddit users' first rodeo when attacking big corps... It is weird even, how Reddit responded to this, knowing the community of Reddit itself are known for attacking anti-consumer corporations (a nice way to gain some sense of pride and accomplishment if you ask me, lol)

Reddit doesn't have to die in the first place.

We have Lemmy already. We have Mastodon- we have ourselves. We don't need Reddit, or do we need Reddit to die for the success of Lemmy.

The website has already grown enough- big enough to be active and support itself. You no longer need Reddit, if you were using Lemmy. Reddit may not lose, but we won regardless.

Make this place like your home now. Enjoy, all.

Long live Lemmy.

-NNC

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'd love for lemmy to take off as a reddit replacement but it has some hurdles to overcome.

My experience as an ex-redditor thats been here for a few hours, its still super confusing figuring out how to subscribe to ~~subs~~communities. I'm getting the hang of it but I'm willing to do that. Many newcomers are gonna see its not a click to subscribe type situation and close the tab instead. Until its user friendly, its not going to gain the amount of traction to be a replacement

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

its still super confusing figuring out how to subscribe to communities. I’m getting the hang of it but I’m willing to do that.

Reddit sort of got around that by making a bunch of default subs when a new user signed up. It would be up to each instance here, but perhaps there's a way to auto-subscribe users to the largest 40-50(?)-ish communities to get them started?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I would like to add to consider making this an option during sign up.

I was rather happy about my blank canvas, when I got here yesterday, rather than having to unsubscribe from communities I have no interest in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Of course- critism is needed for improvement. Lets hope we can swiftly put the change in this new home of many.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's a reason email still lives as a protocol despite all it's flaws and shortcomings: Decentralisarion and interoperability. The Fediverse can give us, the uses, the control (back) of what once was the free and open internet (usenet, gopher, ftp, http, smtp, etc).

Actually we're in a fork of reality where the plot from Tron kinda happened, only there's not one MCP... There's Meta, Google, Amazon, Reddit et al who disowned us users, served us non-open, centralised websites and services.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A pointable proof that the open and free poweruser-friendly side of Internet is here to stay and thrive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

At least that's what I hope. There are a few things we need to roll back though: Messaging needs to be decentralised again (think what jabber/xmpp did, federation between Google, Yahoo, Facebook etc etc).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well put! Indeed, people that are sure that they will see Reddit collapse soon are wrong due to the points you mention.

I love the “great experiment” vibe of this place. It’s right now truly up to all of us, whether it’s posting, commenting, voting, coding, hosting or informing people, we all can contribute to this big giant middle finger to this inevitable enshittification that happens to every free social media platform in the name of endless growth and profit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Of course! We all gotta experiment by our own means to make this place more comfy. Reddit doesn't need to collapse, we can grow steady anyways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Definitely, reddit won't die due to this. There are too many people that just don't give a shit. I fully plan on sticking around.

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