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Elon's "extremely hardcore" toxic work culture means people are forced to take Adderall without a prescription to meet their workload. Just ask SpaceX employees.

"Some SpaceX workers resorted to taking Adderall to keep up with the pace of work at the company's launch facility, and others found themselves falling asleep in the bathroom during long workweeks, a recent Reuters investigation found.

"Travis Carson, a former SpaceX worker at the company's facility in Brownsville, Texas, told Reuters some workers took Adderall — a stimulant designed to help people with ADHD improve their focus and concentration levels — without a prescription to keep up with the pace of work."

Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-workers-took-adderall-slept-bathroom-iv-treatments-deadlines-report-2023-11

What a nightmare!

#Elon #ElonMusk #X #SpaceX #Twitter #business #economy #finance @technology

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Where?! Where are they getting this Adderall without a prescription? If i could just be directed to the website so i can voice my outrage there

[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Honestly, my wife has such a difficult time getting her prescription filled right now, black market Adderall really annoys me.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I know there is a shortage at the moment, but I feel your pain for another reason. I am an addict in recovery with add and I will never be able to take medication because the minute I even try to talk about my issues it's "drug seeking." But people I know who need to take controlled substances like benzodiazapines who are not addicts in recovery? They're still treated like drug addicts, even when they have nothing in their medical history that would suggest that, and they never ask for refills early etc.

The opioid crisis drove us so far in the opposite direction that people who truly need a drug can't get it, and drugs can't be prescribed for the issues they were literally invented to help.

Also, Stratera is a non-narcotic option. It didn't seem to do much, but may be worth a try if she hasn't tried it yet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I'm so sorry for your situation and wish I had some helpful advice or insight. My only thought is the must be some therapist or clinician out there you could build a relationship with who could walk alongside you to help you get appropriate medication.

I'd not heard of Strattera, but looked it up and realized it wouldn't be suitable for my wife. I appreciate the suggestion.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Same. It's frustrating that my legitimate prescription has to jump through so many hurdles and face skepticism because of its usefulness as a recreational drug (or occupational, I guess?).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Has she tried pure dextro based ones? I feel like Adderall is so ubiquitous cuz people don't realize there's an even better lateral step up?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I used Adderall like Kleenex, which was imprecise of me. She is technically taking dextroamphetamine mediation, which has been the most effective of the various medications she's tried.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gotcha ;) by technically, are you obliquely saying "vyvanse" or literally straight dex?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think it's a generic, but I know she's cycled through a variety to find one that helps the most.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

U didnt answer ? Why did u say technically? Is is straightup dextroamphetamine or are you implying its lisdexamfetamine --> ipso facto dextroamphetamine or whatever

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Telegram? I have seen them on the drugs market channels I follow, but they are pretty rare.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you're taking illegal performance enhancers to get you through your work day, then whatever you're doing there isn't worth it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Idk, I’d be willing to overwork myself if it were for a really good cause, like ending hunger, or rapidly building houses that will be provided free at point of use to unhoused and low income people, etc. definitely not a normal job I’d do it fit though.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Those are the kind of excuses people at SpaceX make. When a leader fools workers into thinking they are doing unique and societal-changing work, he can push them to work for any amount of punishing hours.

The entire gaming industry runs on this mentality.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah I feel that also. That’s why I believe in democratization of the workplace. Instead of obeying the whims of a single dictator-leader or small board of directors, labor should be able to collectively decide the motivations and direction of their labor power.

With such ownership of development, instead of working for someone else’s vision, we’d be able to collectively develop and manifest a vision that isn’t predicated solely on the extraction of profit, but on the collective needs and desires of those within and without the company itself, meaning those within the community who will also be affected by the decisions of the company.

But of course, as of now, this is just the rambling dreams of one person, and not an actualized reality.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

That would be actual socialism, and in theory would be wonderful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I wonder if this is almost entirely the basis behind Jobs' Reality distortion field thats all the rage now

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Also really depends on the frequency and reason. Did something go horribly wrong once and does this one-time effort fix it or gives enough time for a decent solution down the road? Sure, I'll put in some extra work. Don't look for me though when it's resolved, I'm on holiday with all the overtime I should've gotten. If it's a structural problem because management wants to squeeze as much money out of their employees and refuses to hire enough people... Fuck that. And yeah, corporate uses the first thing as an excuse, luring you into staying longer "one more time, we really can't do it without you".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

They do it because rich individuals like Elon have a vice grip control over the tech industry in this country and you don't need to do it anymore once one of them deigns to give you a reputation as a hard worker that deserves the money (that they themselves don't deserve).

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago

Oh cool, so Elon has helped contribute to the adderall shortage in a roundabout way.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah! So just like the financial industry which is abusing those like hell

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yesterday evening I took a peek into improving my financial standing and understood very little of the whole convoluted mess called finance and the terms it uses.
I could totally understand why you'd need to take that stuff to even keep the whole picture together in your mind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

While I am not one of those people, some of the jobs in finance is basically high level mathematics and statistics.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@ajsadauskas @technology this kind of shit is all the fault of the pyramids, megalomaniacs like musk know no if they throw enough pain agony and bodies at his projects that history would eventually forget the damage and pain he caused and only remembering for the good or alleged good he has done, it's about an everlasting legacy with these lunatics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if it is/was fundamentally different that the experience of working for, like, Steve Jobs or something?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Steve Jobs was a tyrant, and awful to his employees. Maybe in a different way, but he was not fun to work for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Makes me wonder if this whole "reality distortion field" isn't just, good ol' fucking economic pressure. Fuck

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Makes me wonder if this whole "reality distortion field" isn't just, good ol' fucking economic pressure. Fuck

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

@ajsadauskas @technology it sounds dangerous on more than one level.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Didn't SBF do this shit too? I wonder how widespread in various industries it is to basically have to take performance enhancing amphetamines just to keep up.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The most ironic part is 90% of the time, any finer detail work or big picture stuff comes out dogshit. Amphetamine seems to be more of a an effort/endurance drug, not necessarily performance in my experience

Edit: its like that Felix Felices potion from Harry Potter. I maintain it simply got people motivated to the extent they positioned and conditioned themselves to be amenable to the hidden opportunities available

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The problem with tweakers is that they feel so good, every stupid idea they have feels like a breakthrough. Okay, there's a lot worse problems with them, but that one is relevant. They have stupid ideas that they think are brilliant.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Twitter's culture is starting to look like McKinsey or EY. The people that will succeed in that environment are the pieces of shit that are willing to put career over everything else. Friends, family, and the coworkers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

And people who don't get enough sleep start making mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They are forced? It's illegal to quit?

These are people who refuse to leave Twitter, no matter how bad they are treated there. Maybe they should learn to quit instead of taking drugs to deal with the job.

I know American work culture is "don't quit", but come on, there are limits... If your work place is actually insane, you should quit. :)

No wonder this Elon fucker laughs all the way to the bank.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

@ajsadauskas @technology ok, who wants to go into space with equipment made by people that can barely stay awake?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Lol, watch him try to make nerualink mandatory.

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