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Hi, In short: will I run the risk of receiving an angry Hetzner e-mail telling me to stop downloading torrents when I configer my local deluge client to connect through a local gluetun VPN client to a selfhosted wireguard vpn on a hetzner server? I have limited knowledge of VPNs but as far as I understand it the connection provided through gluetun from client to server (vpn) is safe, encrypted, private (somewhat) But connections from the (vpn) server to the public tracker is not, right? Or does the vpn tunnel extend to the destination? Context: I am running a deluge torrent client to download and seed torrents coming from radarr and sonarr its all running containerized through docker on my local machine. The Deluge client is using a VPN connection (via Windscribe) through a gluetun vpn client. `https://github.com/qdm12/gluetun.
I am not very happy with the speeds of Windscribe and I have small Hetzner server running with a wireguard vpn container I got working, that I hope should provide a faster download/upload speed.

Hetzner is pretty strict when it comes to downloading torrents from public trackers. A couple of years ago I basically had my plex server and a deluge client running on one of their servers. At first I used only private trackers but some content was not available so I added some torrents from public trackers. A couple of days after I got an angry e-mail from viacom through hetzner telling to quit it.

Does anyone self host their VPN and on what? And do you use it for downloading?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For piracy I really do not see the appeal of self-hosting a VPN.

If you really must self host a good VPN like Mullvad (or even windscribe as you mentioned) can be ran even on a webserver to tunnel all of your torrent traffic through, deluge is incredibly easy to setup to run only over mullvad.

Almost any hosting company is going to send you angry emails when downloading public torrents, some may even terminate your services without warning then refuse to talk to you after the fact (looking at you contabo).

If you really want to host your own server for this I recommend looking for a “bulletproof” webhosting service, people running those services will just ignore letters from copyright holders.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Those servers probably have to be outside the western world to be able to refuse dmca letters.

[–] beigeoat 5 points 1 year ago

You will be surprised to find that a lot of European nations actually don't give a shit about it. I sometimes proxy to a random European country to access a few websites which are unavailable in my country.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's a good point I forgot to mention as well, thanks!

I know a lot of bullet proof hosts used to be in The Netherlands but now I'm not too sure about that bc I hear they're cracking down on copyright.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Mullvad will not work anymore for torrenting. They disabled port forwarding

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Mullvad still works perfectly well for torrents, I'm downloading and seeding torrents now as of typing this.

It just won't work well for certain types of torrents and certain private trackers and things like that.

It does suck they took away that feature but I understand why they did it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It can and will work, but it will not be optimal. You will be able to connect to other peers, but other peers will not be able to connect to you. This usually isn't a big deal, but it's not great in situations where there are not many peers, and you need every connection you can get.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

If I remember correctly they will keep already set up ones but take away for new configs

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Hetzner is no joke company. They will find out pretty quick that you are torrenting via a hetzner server. They will also see all of your traffic and of course they have detection algorithms for stuff like that haha. Just get a normal VPN like ProtonVPN or something

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Using a VPN to connect to your own server for torrenting does not make sense, because that may not be 'your' IP address the traffic originates from, but it is still linked to you as you pay for the server. If you use a VPN from mullvad or something else it cannot (easliy) be tracked back to you directly. (It can, but to the outside there is just a lot of traffic comming from a single source IP, and it is not just your traffic but from a dozen other users. That's the point of using a VPN provider)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Thank you all for giving honest advice, I will stick with what I have, Gluetun and Windscribe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not good for public, use private trackers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

True, I had a separate client for private tracker torrents it worked well no angry e-mails. However some torrents like non english movies/shows are not on the private tracker I have, and are very short-lived on public trackers, if you have any recommendations where I can apply let me know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why though? I got PIA for under 3 bucks a month and it saturates my Gbit connection. Don’t re invent the wheel man lol.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Obligatory "PIA is owned by adware distributors" warning.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yep, used them for years but dropped them when they were bought out

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Selling the poison and the antidote I see.

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