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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

my area doesnt even have sidewalks

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Autonomous vehicles work better on rails. Also without having to deal with pedestrians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

And when space efficient enough to allow for a livable city.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Because a train isn't going to drive me from home to anywhere that's not a train station.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

instead of creating more car infrastructure we could make more train or tram/metro infrastructure to make sure there's always a station a walkable distance from where you want to be

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bicycles are one of the most energy-efficient ways to travel, and electric ones even more so. But absolutely no one refers to them as "vehicles"...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they're vehicles. When you're riding a bicycle you are operating a vehicle in traffic, like any other. What would you call them otherwise?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I find these discussions seem to be dominated by young urbanites. People who don't need a car to get around as opposed to the huge number of people who live in areas that require a car to function. They are physically able to bike many miles every day in any weather.

I took public transportation when I lived in a big city and was glad to have it but anytime I needed to go beyond a limited area in the city I needed a car. Now I live in an area with very limited public transportation and very very little is in walking distance and biking for my needs is not an alternative. Frequently using 100% public transportation routes would increase your travel time by a large amount, time you may not have or want to sacrifice. If you live in country like France it seems like the transit unions have a stranglehold on the nation as they can shut down everyone at will, if you have a car you at least have an alternative. There are also breakdown issues, maintenance shutdowns, etc. You also run into the last mile issue a lot. Where you need to go is frequently not a reasonable distance from the stop. I usually needed a car to get to the train stations for instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Young people often have the tendency to be both ageist and ableist at times.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just an add here ... Pedestrian fatalities are up, largely due to huge vehicles in general. But EVs tend to be very heavy because of the batteries. So collisions tend to be very unpleasant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Can confirm. Rode a 1000w electric bike to work every day and couldn't wait to get a car after all the near-misses I had. It's even more dangerous than a pedal bike cause no one expects a bicycle to be going almost 30 MPH. Almost got hit at least 3-4 time from people turning right cause they didn't expect me to be inside the intersection so soon.

They're a lot of fun for recreation but not as a daily driver, unless you have a suicide wish.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

It's almost as of going 50kph with a bicycle isnt a good idea to begin with

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Because to them, 'car' and 'vehicle' mean the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I just bought an electric motorbike, design is like a Vespa. I love it. Top speed kinda sucks but I love it. I'd love to take a train or bus instead but there is literally no line between my work and home that doesn't involve a longer walk than the ride itself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Care to share the one you've bought? 🧐 I'm also considering one

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because then they keep the "freedom" of driving, but without the guilt of pollution. That and, I mean, the community is called "fuck cars." Obviously someone not taking a closer look at the true root of what this community wants (city planning that isn't car-centric) would just think "but electric cars ain't bad."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

See and I get the opposite problem.

I wanted to buy an electric motorcycle since I use my old gas bike to make the same trip for work two times a month. The trip is 215 km and only goes though one town (about 45 km from one end). This is easy with most gas motorcycles and I thought that an EV version of a hwy cruiser should have no issue with say a 250 km range (since I stay the night I can charge from a slow plug).

Well let me tell you how frustrating "city" brain is about EVs. I mostly got e-bikes (like a bicycle) tossed at me, and the few that make the cut (Damon HyperSport, for example) are geared like a rocket and all the stats are based on city riding. 200 km max speed and no hwy gearing is stupid, but hey CITY CITY CITY! Where are the non insane vehicles? I don't want to ride a 0-60 in <3 second monster, I don't want to be curled up for 3 hours on a crotch rocket, and I don't want to deal with an app just to charge. We don't all live in your cities, some that do need to leave said cities, and until a normal non toy like EV vehicle hits the market the wider world will lump it all in the same bullshit pile.

I don't have the option for a public transit, hell they killed the trains and buses off even if I wanted to do the milk run.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This video explains really well exactly why transit is better than cars: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=j4s9WDDRE2A

This one too: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WiI1AcsJlYU

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I also like to point to this graphic:

Cars are just an insanely inefficient way to move people around in cities.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I would like to provide this XKCD in case the last graphic was too helpful.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I can't wait for the REM (bottom left picture) to open, it's in less than a week!! After so many years, at last.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I mean when i say I want a subway system

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I see nothing wrong with a complex subway map and it is absolutely not a disadvantage. Try comparing it to a map of the roads maybe? A 2D space served by 1D lines necessitate a mesh-like network to do well, has nothing to do with transit or cars.

And you memorize literally all the stations and their order if you take transit regularly.

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