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Unpopular Opinion

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By that I mean that you should be able to drill into post and comment votes, and see the users.

Votes for me are really just a temperature gauge, for me to see if the content I'm posting is appreciated by a community. Other than that, they don't actually seem to have too much impact on this platform, likely because of scale and algorithm (or lack there of).

That being said, I've noticed some mild, weird "turf war" style downvote brigading of community posts. Not botting per say, but deliberate and individual shitty behavior. It's ultimately no more than a mild annoyance, but I think transparency into the social voting behavior of users would encourage accountability.

Rabble rabble anonymity though!

There's no actual impact to a user's anonymity. There's just less of a free pass to act shitty and not get the boot from a community, under whatever moniker and internet personality type you choose.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting take. So is it your stance that a community should ban or retain folks based on what they've up/down voted? Seems like (if that's the case) you'd run into very little diversity of thought in most communities. Which is fine if that's the goal I guess.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If that's a community's prerogative, then yes. I think they'd either build an echo chamber, or sink their own ship if they were so shrewd, but that's also motivation to form healthier competing communities.

Myself, as a mod of a few, just want tools to remove users that aren't contributing and truly just dishing out mass downvotes to those that are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I see. Makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I forgot Lemmy users can't see who upvoted/downvoted something (votes are still visible in Kbin)

I've noticed there are people who just spam with downvotes for no reason (downvoting a certain community's posts, downvoting all comments under a post, downvoting all posts/comments made by someone they may not like etc), it's pretty weird

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You know what's funny is that none of that downvote spamming I mentioned seems to be coming from kbin users. Which further supports my opinion that transparency breeds accountability.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

How about a user-specific option to hide votes? Like a NSFW toggle.

That way, people who don’t want to deal with votes don’t have to, while those that like anonymous voting can retain that privacy.

There are plenty of times when people want to express disapproval without getting roped into a discussion (see: bad faith actors and other trolls). Sure, there’s always going to be people downvoting things for any reason under the sun, but I see that as noise in an otherwise often useful graph. If you see more noise, then it might help to not see anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I’ve read something about being able to see who up and down votes from kbin. I’m not that fluent in fediverse to say much more than that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you run your own instance you can get that info from the db.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I more so envision it as a per-community and/or per-post flag. "Enable vote transparency" type toggle, that way there's some ability to cater to the community. Because I expect there may be fringe cases where the subject matter is sensitive enough, to where voter anonymity should be available.

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