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[–] [email protected] 141 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Swartz wasn’t involved in the origins of Reddit. He got involved when Y Combinator combined his company with Reddit (something along those lines?). He was not an actual founder, just an early influencer. In many ways, decoupling him from the shitshow that Ohanian and Huffman have engendered is a good thing.

This is very similar to the argument of Musk being a founder of Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (53 children)

Also Swartz had a section of his homepage defending child pornography as "not necessarily abuse" and that possession & distribution of it should be a first amendment right. He also advocated for a violent overthrow of the US government. Here's a cache of one instance of him defending it. Aaron did some really great tech stuff, but he's not a person that should be regarded as some hero as he had a lot of views that were misguided at best.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

In the US, it is illegal to possess or distribute child pornography, apparently because doing so will encourage people to sexually abuse children.

This is absurd logic. Child pornography is not necessarily abuse. Even if it was, preventing the distribution or posession of the evidence won't make the abuse go away. We don't arrest everyone with videotapes of murders, or make it illegal for TV stations to show people being killed.

I don't know if that's the reason CP is actually banned, but his logic is even worse and dumber by a mile.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I mean, the article linked in that page (albeit horribly long due to useless info) does raise a point against current laws on viewing illegal material.

But sharing it? Yeah that’s a bit of a stretch. Thinking that isn’t going to lead to more actual children being exploited is extremely naive.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That website has been the same since it’s first archive on 2002-12-17. Aaron Swartz had just turned 16 a month earlier. I know I had some seriously immature opinions at that age. As well, that website was still up as of this January, a decade since his passing. http://www.aaronsw.com/ is also still up, and it doesn’t look like it was updated since 2002 either. Neither is any of this referenced on his wikipedia page, nor on it’s talk page. This feels like such a reach…

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I sure love it when people use a single opinion to smear a person's entire legacy, he was great not only for the tech stuff but his stance on scientific articles piracy and a lot of other stuff too.

I won't say that that his opinion on cp is a great one (there is no doubt at least for me that distribution should always be illegal), but he wrote it as a 16 years old and it was guided due to his extremism for free speech over the internet, regardless, it's not like he himself was an evil person distributing child pornography, to paint him as an overall shitty person for an opinion like this seems idiotic imo

This is q bit personal and maybe slightly unrelated, but it reminds me of when people defend non-offending pedos (as in they are attracted to children because yhey are born that way but have not offended, nor groomed, nor harmed a child) saying the stigma should be erased because that would allow us to actually help this people who constantly hide it, therefore reducing the harm to children. This position has unironically got me called a pedophile and a lot of horrible stuff over the internet, and I would draw parallels to this situation, no matter how you slice it this opinion should not be used singlehandedly to state he is someone that shouldn't be respected. Especially since he is not defending the harm itself being done to children (as in the production of CP) which would still be a crime under his view. (Although distribution of course grows the market so it's idiotic not to go after that too), but as I said, it's a bad opinion but that doesn't make him a bad person.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a new low. Anyone who knows about Aaron and still using reddit - Shame on You.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I use reddit but most of my comments are about lemmy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't participate in any threads I just read nosleep lol

Actually I don't read any threads other than bestofredditorupdates because I don't trust the fodder of people that stuck around either!

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a silver lining maybe it's best people don't associate him with what the site has become. He was a piece of its history, but he wasn't trying to found what Reddit has become

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. I think Aaron would want to take his name off from there.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (23 children)

If I were him, I would be more concerned with my name being attached to this defense of child pornography: https://web.archive.org/web/20130116210225/http://bits.are.notabug.com/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Such a weird stance to take and to make a point of wedging in there. I thought perhaps on reading I'd find he's being misinterpreted or taken out of context but he's very explicitly like "child porn isn't an issue and we should do nothing about it." Quite a worrying position for him to take.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Aaron was reddit, and since his passing its shit now.

RIP Mr Swartz, you are sorely missed.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I looked into this more. Reddit (created by Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian) merged with Infogami (created by Aaron Schwartz). There are people calling Aaron Schwartz one of the founders, but that doesn't seem entirely accurate.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From Aaron Swartz's wiki page

In the early fall of 2005, he worked with his fellow co-founders of another nascent Y-Combinator firm, Reddit, to rewrite its Lisp codebase using Python and web.py.

This is more than just "merging his company into Reddit".

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because one outside source merges with another, doesn't mean you're a founder of the source that you've absorbed to. That'd be like saying Microsoft and Apple merged, so Steve Jobs is a founder of Microsoft. It doesn't work like that. He'd still be considered a founder of Apple.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s not the best analogy. A better one would be Tesla, which started in 2001, incorporated in 2003, but didn’t meet Elon Musk until 2004. He’s listed as a co-founder. https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

It's old news, they removed him from the founders list two years ago.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Obligatory FUCK SPEZ.

He's a cunt.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really fucking blessed memory. He was one of the real ones. I'll never forget what Aaron did.

https://karolina.andersdotter.cc/2023/01/in-memoriam-aaron-swartz-1986-2013/

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (19 children)

This disgusts me.

Aaron Is one of my heroes. He died standing up for something he believed in.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

u/spez is a complete and utter piece of shit

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At the End of the day: The greedy man's gonna have nothing, literally nothing. For Aaron his legacy will continue.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

We can hope, but if Facebook adn Microsoft taught us anything, is that the greedy man will keep fuckloads of cash

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[–] damien 12 points 1 year ago

Ironically he is defeated by being censored out. :(

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That dude was great, he helped contribute to RSS as well. RIP

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That's a painfully sad deletion. Aaron fought the good fight. It makes me sad how he came to an end.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck spez... But where is Alexis on all of this? Does he comment, or just cashes the checks now?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man, bad enough the state murdered Swartz in the first place, but now that absolute fucking gargoyle Huffman wants to bury him further. I genuinely hope Huffman gets everything that he's been sorely deserving this past few months.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

This is true but also old news from what I remember they took him off that page a long time ago. Reddit has been heading toward it’s inevitable demise ever since Aaron passed. Glad I finally left for good.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Ok. Now that is truly fucked up. Someone needs to check in on that fucker, he's not mentally healthy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That’s cold. He’s not even around to claim a share and they are pretending like he’s Jack Kirby.

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