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[CW: possible manipulation/abuse, venting]

I love this man and do not feel like I am living up to my vision of love right now. What follows is a rundown of the challenges and none of the virtues and beauty of our relationship. I have a good assessment of the pull of our relationship, but want an outsider's view of the pushes away.

I've been with my BF for a bit over a year now. When we first stated dating, he was very upfront about being in a KTP non-hierarchal relationship with his live-in GF. I met both of them at once and was initially better friends with his GF. The two of them had been together about 2.5 years, and my BF recounts their relationship only really escalating after he got engaged to his shithead ex (important later). While not super knowledgeable about poly, I also was not looking for a serious relationship when he asked me out.

Fast forward to mid last Summer when my life situation got more stable, and we realized our values and bodies synced up really well together. Things got more serious and I asked him to become my BF. Around this time, my relationship with his GF started to become more distant, but I wasn't picking up any hostility. Later I asked her to talk at a party and she admitted she had 'hated and resented' me at points over the Summer—presumably as my relationship with her BF affected hers—but that she had 'let go' of those feelings.

Things came to a head at Labor Day, when I accidentally got her keys stuck on a friend's roof. I apologized immediately and spent a good deal of effort getting them down a day later. She messaged me 'we are blood feuding now' and blocked my number. When I mentioned to my BF I was hurt by this & it didn't feel proportional he mainly defended her.

In the aftermath, she implemented the rule that she should be informed when I would be at their house. Before, I had shown up spontaneously sometimes or my BF and I had stopped by while out-and-about. When I did come over (which decreased a lot), I generally felt unwelcome and uncomfortable around her.

In mid-October, I asked her to talk to resolve our bad blood. During that conversation she was mostly respectful and I felt like good progress had been made, but at the end she stated she liked 'having us as blood feuding in the chart.' I told her this made me uncomfortable because, to me, a blood feud necessitates conflict. I had asked him to step in prior to this conversation, but he mostly avoided hinging.

Later that night, my BF texts me 'Why are you trying to fistfight my girlfriend?' Apparently, she had come home and told him I tried to fistfight her. This did not happen. As me and him are talking the next day, he breaks down crying saying 'I don't know who to believe.' and that reconciliation between his GF and his past lovers has always been impossible.

At her behest and at her aunt's house, the three of us meet up to discuss. She railroaded the conversation, called me a dipshit, and insinuated our relationship has no emotional basis/I am only good in bed. My BF was paralyzed and dissociative for most of the conversation.

From this point, I am almost never in their home. A few weeks later, I bring up my frustration around not feeling equal in our relationship. He is initially very cold and eventually starts crying, saying that most of his boundaries in his relationship with his GF are at her discretion, and that i have shown him what 'real kindness and real respect look like in a relationship.' He later admits he's thinking about leaving her because things haven't felt right in a while.

I begin to live in the limmerent world, where this is a given and a more equal and more involved relationship is likely between us in the medium-term. Acknowledging this since Christmas time is making me seriously doubt my understanding of events.

Our friend group had been planning a cabin trip for New Years. Realizing how uncomfortable I feel around his GF, I decided not to go. In the week between Christmas and New Years, I came clean about how I felt about his GF: that I saw her as abusive and that my wish for him was that he could spend some time single living on his own. We had a constructive conversation on how to make our relationship more equal which included him making more of an effort to host.

Since we both have the time off, he proposed for us to spend the first long weekend of the New Year together—normally we spend about two nights a week together. On NYE, he texts me asking if I want to extend it a day since his partner's friend who he doesn't like is going to be visiting an extra day. I did not realize this friend was visiting, and the weekend got reframed from a positive statement of desire to 'isn't this great the margin you fit into is larger than it normally is!' in my mind.

During the weekend, I felt closer to him than I had felt in a long time. We spent time hanging out with our friends and just doing nothing together. It felt like the taste of the partnered life I wanted to have. While I had let go of wanting it him from him per se, it was still wonderful and difficult to see what that life would feel like together. Crucially, he helped me with some deep cleaning which helped me feel firm in his commitment to equality and to making hosting less one-sided.

In spite of all this, I have been feeling sort of anxious when I did have plans with him, and walled up and lonely when we were together. Last night, his GF was out of the house for the first time in a while and he invited me to sleepover. Since their shared bed is off limits, we slept on a mattress topper I had found in the Fall for the purpose of sleeping over more often. It was pretty uncomfortable and callously, I blurted out 'it feels unfair that the only way we can be together is 'yours or the floor.'' We had a painful conversation where he got defensive and said I was ungrateful for him accommodating my desire to sleepover at his house. In my view, I was hurt he hadn't done more to make it viable since we discussed this being important to me in October. Obviously, I expressed this really poorly and hurt his feelings. His response feels similar to other times I have touched the third rail of his dissatisfaction/dissonance in his primary relationship. He had mentioned previously that they had planned to have separate bedrooms when they moved in together but it just had not happened for some reason. They'd had a fight about it over the holidays too.

I have been reading Polysecure and learning a huge amount and had been hoping to have a DTR conversation once I'd finished internalizing it. But I feel like I bungled things up and also forced myself to realize that I am more anxious about and insecure in our relationship than I had let myself believe.

My motto at the start of our last big conversation was 'you are the right person for me, but this isn't the right relationship for me.' I've done a lot of self-work to let go of my unrealistic expectations and he has done a lot more to be a fair partner to me. I am upset with myself that I turned a positive step into a conflict. At the same time, this suggests to me that things don't have a good resolution.

I love this man and do not feel like I am living up to my vision of love right now.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I guess I would say that I personally would be looking for another partner. For me this isn't really about the lack of allocation of resources but the unwillingness to do so and the precedence of his other partner over you. If you really want to still go through with this, you might want to try distancing yourself emotionally somewhat. This could result in him breaking up with her, but abusive relationships are very difficult to predict, and many victims choose to continue to be with their abuser. I personally would have beat the fuck out of her or at least berated her until she cried for railroading me and calling me a dipshit, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I don't suffer rats and snakes, unless they're pets lol

For context I'm in a KTP that resulted in a person who sounds like your partner's gf leaving because she realized she no longer has an abusive hold on my bf.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This sounds tough, sorry you're going through this. I'm KTP as well and...yeah this sort of thing is way more common than it should be. You get folks who have jealousy or problems with their relationship and instead of working through it like ethical adults they act like children and try to tear relationships apart out of desperation. It sucks and it's super unfair to both you and your BF. It's unfair that he seems trapped in the middle too, trying his best to keep both relationships where he wants them. I hate how common what you're describing is. I've been through similar and I think anyone who has been polyam, especially KTP, has similar stories.

I dunno if you want advice or just want to vent and be heard, happy to provide space for either, but I will say that it sounds to me like you're doing your best in this to get what you want out of the relationship and keep the peace. Which is hard work. Don't blame yourself for these issues, even if you're partially at fault, relationships take two (or more!) and you are absolutely not responsible for the relationship between your BF and his GF; that relationship belongs to them and any issues they're experiencing in that relationship are between them. And it's ultimately up to your BF and his GF to keep their relationship issues out of your relationships as much as possible, it's not on you to manage that for them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for taking the time to read all that. Does it sound like I am just projecting or engaging in motivated reasoning? I'm worried that I am making things out to be worse than they are because I am biased, I don't feel like I have solid understanding of things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Honestly, without knowing all sides of the story, I don't know. To me it sounds like you're doing the best you can to take care of the relationship you value, even including trying to reach out to their other partner to mend that relationship. I think you can only do what you can do with the information you have, and it's impossible for you to have a solid understanding of their relationship if their relationship is in flux. My advice then would be to focus on how to make the relationship you do have with your BF feel right; tell him your needs, ask for them to be met, be willing to slightly adjust your expectations if he has realistic asks back or needs time to figure things out or wants to talk things through more. But all you can do is advocate for your needs in the relationship and listen to his needs. If your needs largely align, then the relationship makes sense. If you two have totally different needs and it doesn't feel like these needs can be reconciled, then it seems like it might be time to de-escalate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I'm sorry that you had a rough time. It's okay to feel jealousy and it can be a great tool of change when you are feeling unfairly treated. Sometimes it's really hard to walk away. I spent six months in therapy trying to work up the courage one time. Going forward, you'll be able to make more informed decisions about what is right for you.

There are a lot of ways to do polyamory. It takes two to define a relationship together. I'm a big fan of RA and ethical polyamory. With the right communication, everyone can get what they want and be a primary partner. I go out of my way to make sure I'm meeting the needs of the people I love.