NonCredibleDefense
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Russian warship: "Snake Island, I, Russian warship, repeat the offer: put down your arms and surrender, or you will be bombed. Have you understood me? Do you copy?"
Ukrainian 1 to Ukrainian 2: "That's it, then. Or, do we need to fuck them back off?"
Ukrainian 2 to Ukrainian 1: "Might as well."
Ukrainian 1: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."
Best part, that Russian warship was the Moskva. Pictured top-left, with the red X through it.
sunk by indigenously built ukranian neptune surface to surface missile no less. Very impressive!
On the he ships Wikipedia page (it was called the moslva):
Ukraine has officially declared the wreck of the ship to be an underwater cultural heritage site
One of my favorite memes on the subject came from Sputnik_not "update: the fire is out" [picture of the ship underwater]
Only the Russians could lose their entire navy in a land war.
I was wondering if this was similar to the Baltic Fleet and going down the comments looking for a reference. Lemmy did not disappoint
Youtuber Perun joked this week that the Houthis had done more to disrupt international shipping than the Russians had done in the Black Sea.
Perun has some serious deadpan humor.
These things strike me as very... expensive.
And not easily replaced.
Months for a single boat if your logistics are top tier. Years otherwise.
For the tonnage crossed of this list, easily close to a decade to replace.
easily close to a decade to replace.
For a nation with the money and manpower to actually build them. Not ones that can only afford to upcycle 5 fossils each decade with a new gun/missile silo and (maybe) coat of paint.
Rust can be protective.There's brown rust, orange rust, fast rust, slow rust. Wire wheels are expensive.
One rust two rust red rust blue rust
Anyway, like I was sayin', rust is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, sauté it. Dey's uh, rust-kabobs, rust creole, rust gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple rust, lemon rust, coconut rust, pepper rust, rust soup, rust stew, rust salad, rust and potatoes, rust burger, rust sandwich. That- that's about it.
Fair point.
Yeah I’m pretty sure haven’t built a surface combatant larger than a frigate since the fall of the USSR.
They might have had a second aircraft carrier by now if they'd finished the one left in Ukraine at the collapse in 91. But for better or worse they sold the hulk (and the plans) to China in '99. It's possible the Kuznetsov is in such a state because the sold the only copy of the plans
Irony a lot of these were built in Soviet Ukraine, so nice to see them laid to rest in their home 🥰
Boats are expensive. I know because I was a sailor, and then worked in ship building/repair.
at what point can we call this the most embarrassing war for the Russian navy since the Russo-Japanese war?
You can start anytime.
It already is. But that a big hurdle to cross
Sink em all
With no fleet left they don't need the black sea ports anymore and can get the fuck out of Crimea, right?
What's the story behind the one circled ship? Captured?
I think it's this one. Attacked twice, probably partially sunk in port.
The insert b&w photo is of another ship sunk a couple of days ago by drone boats, with great footage (https://sopuli.xyz/post/8635610). It's the small one in the row above the circled ship.
I like to imagine at least one of these remaining ships probably doesn't even exist and is just a big embezzlement. It would be par for the course with Russia.
which one just happened a day or so ago? the letters are tiny, so relying on someone who knows their ships!
Well, they said it was a corvette, so most likely the one ~7 down and 3 in. It seems like it's the right profile
The small "Ivanovets" in the center, the row above the circled one, I believe: https://sopuli.xyz/post/8635610.
I think I'mma print this one out for my bulletin board so I can keep score at home...
Legit fun idea.
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Ok, next, B1.
Ukraine is the last opponent I would want to have in a game of Battleships
What is that? Looks like the biggest remaining ship.
I wonder when ol' Kuznetsov will meet its fate? Thing can hardly sail as is. Even if Ukraine doesn't take it out, the ship'll probably do the job itself.
Still can't believe they sunk a fucking DDG with an MLRS lmfao
Everybody edging, waiting for the kep
So wait, is that the entire Russian fleet?
I would have thought they had more.
It is black sea fleet
Their ship-to-submarine conversion program is so far a great success.
Lately they have decided to allocate a larger share of their fleet to protect the sea bed
By the size of the chart I think it's the black sea fleet and they can't bring any warships through the Bosporus during war time.