I think you can appreciate it for the dark comedy and chadly Zhukov. Definitely worth a watch, even if you want to to a liberal prop drinking game/bingo while watching it
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It's pretty funny. I wouldn't go in expecting historical accuracy or deep thought about Stalin/the USSR's role in history. It's more a dark comedy about the inanity and at the same time absolute cruelty of inner circle politics at the heights of power. Also Zhukov's great in it
No. There's nothing more annoying than movies about foreign countries where everyone speaks English.
The end of the movie is shit. It’s been a while and there are funny scenes for sure. The end is awful tho.
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It’s just a stupid comedy, chill
However, it does more harm than most of the the "serious" anticommunist publications. Nobody reads the latter untill they gets wildly pushed like Black Book or Pipes diarrhea, but a funny movie gets internalised in the politically uneducated masses very easily. In Poland we have a lot of examples how great and funny comedies from 70's and 80's, portraying the socialist reality with satire, are now being taken absolutely seriously in many cases.
I agree, but saying you want to kill people who watch a movie is a bit extreme and concerning.
Naturally, i just don't agree that those kind of movies are stupid, they are propaganda too and an insidious one.
I disagree. That is a problem with attempting to pander to the least common denominator.
A lot of satire goes completely over the heads of many people, but that’s not the fault of the filmmaker or movie a lot of the times.
At some point it’ll just be impossible to try and make it so that reactionaries don’t latch onto everything.
Thank you for proving my point that it is very insdious propaganda.
The very same topic floated some time ago in Deprogram sub and there was a lot of communist defending that piece just because they found it funny too.
Of course nothing wrong with actually finding it fun, but only as far as you recognize it's propaganda. And overally it will do harm because even among the comrades, many do not.
I was not defending the movie and I have no idea where you got that from. I also never said I found the movie funny.
I was simply stating that there is a event horizon with satire where if the viewer is so in-grained in propaganda that they cannot discern satire from reality, that is not the problem of the film.
Thats the entire point of satire. Its supposed to ironic. If the viewer cannot differentiate that, it does not make it "propaganda" it means the viewer is ignorant and uneducated.
Again, that is not the issue of the filmmaker.
By your logic anything can be propaganda whether it is or isn't. You've created an entirely arbitrary and illogical system.
Are you just trying to suggest that such movies are not made with the explicit intention of being anticommunist propaganda???
I did not say that. Again, I am not even talking about "The Death of Stalin", I'm talking about satires as a whole.
Saying "it's a joke bro" don't make anticommunist propaganda any better.
I agree, again, I think there's a disconnect towards what were exactly talking about.
I AM NOT DEFENDING ANTI-COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA OR THE DEATH OF STALIN. I am saying that satire can be ironic and has the ability to be misinterpreted. Like the Polish films you mentioned before, they're satirical but some people believe them as reality. That doesn't make them propaganda.
Or Warhammer. A satire on fascism, imperialism, and militarism, but many completely miss the entire point of the satire.
That doesn’t make them propaganda.
This is where you are completely wrong. The polish movies i mentioned, obviously werent intended as anticommunist propaganda since they were made in socialist state - though Poland had mixed record on this, contrary to what traitors say, socialist state here did allowed great degree of artistic freedom for critique, be it serious or satirical. And once system changed all that IS PURPOSEFULLY USED as anticommunist propaganda by the worst scum imaginable.
Almost every movie and most other media created in capitalism and descibing anything related to communism is filled with propaganda. FFS in Poland even completely unrelated romance books or fantasy stories more often than not include at least some jabs at communism. Even a book being summary of ancient Chinese chronicles had jabs against communism. Even Zinn's People history of USA had anticommunist preface out of nowhere.
And you seems to be very fixated on the satire or comedy as something different? They aren't different, or rather my point going to the well know pedagogical fact that children, and in fact adults too, learn better through fun, and in this case they learn anticommunist propaganda. So a fun anticommunist movie will be naturally worse from our point of view than a boring one. Remember "Enemy at the Gates"? As a movie it was very good but the many anticommunist nonsenses included in it still come out very often in related discussions.
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A movie shows Stalin satirically in a poor light, so people should die. What is the logic here.
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I understand, but your wording was extreme and not really applicable. It was not a good phrasing.
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Nice job with the personal attacks. Touch grass since it seems you have nothing else to say.
Nice job projecting your own insecurities, you’re the one talking about killing people (even if it was for dramatic effect to emphasize your own personal dislike) over a fucking movie lmao
Get a fucking grip