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Sync Ultra is a very reasonable $17 a YEAR. YouTube Premium is reaching that per MONTH. I have sync downloaded and it was the first thing I did. Thanks j for the beautiful app.

EDIT: There are many counterpoints and actually good discussion happening down below. Even if you don't agree, thanks for showing me a different perspective!

If you want to support Sync, make sure to support the Lemmy Devs and your instance holders as well!

*This post was made early in the day before the update.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Since we're doing meaningless comparisons:

Am I doing that right?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (13 children)

First thing I did after opening the app was to look for the Pro (ultra) in-app purchase. But monhtly payments, no thank you.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Yea, I would gladly pay to remove ads. Like I already did for the Sync for Reddit. Twice. But no one likes subscriptions.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same here. I hate subscriptions but would happily buy a Pro version like I did with Sync for Reddit.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What would you be willing to pay? I paid ยฃ4 for Sync in 2018. I can't imagine a Pro (non-ultra) version would be that cheap this time.

At the minimum I'd think it'd match 1 year of Ultra (ยฃ17). Not sure if I'd pay that for Lemmy since I still use Sync for Reddit more.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, same here. It is a shame :(

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[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (15 children)

As someone from a third world country, fuck no. That shit is too expensive for me. Maybe to you privileged folk it's reasonable. To me it's nonsense.

I feel shitty about it too since I was a long time sync pro user, I thought sync for lemmy would also have an affordable pro version but fuck me I guess

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[โ€“] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Give me a one-time purchase of like $10-15 and I will, but I don't do (non-voluntary) subs.

I don't need any of the push notification services.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I remember going for the largest OTP for Sync quite happily. Might have been ยฃ30 or something. Subscription? Nah.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn't buy YouTube Premium either and they have significant hosting costs compared to the this app. So do the Lemmy server owners as well.

I think the dev deserves compensation for their app but the asking price is too much, for me anyway.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The app is amazing and I'm not against the Dev just because of what they are charging. They can charge whatever they want, if there is a market willing to pay it's fine.

But 115โ‚ฌ lifetime is like 10-20 times more than the price I would pay. So as a consumer I'll just stay with the free version or another Lemmy app.

As a former infinity user, "Infinity for Lemmy" is the one I'm waiting for. I'm also interested in trying Voyager android app once it is released.

Now this "sync for Lemmy" app looks very well probably the best Lemmy app at the moment. Only thing is lacking for me (so far) is to have community icons in the small cards post layout. (So I can identify what's the topic is about before reading the title).

For the text size I changed base text to Medium and then I changed all the relative post/title/comment text to "Regular". This gives me the same text size as Infinity, at least in the comments.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would start by donating to your home instance, first and foremost.

But yeah if you love the all you're using, whichever it is, donate to its devs, too

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[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I moved to Lemmy because Sync was announced that's where they were going, but I'm not going to pay a monthly subscription for an app. I expected a reasonable one time payment like I had on Sync for Reddit. If that's not an option then I'll have to figure something else out

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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The test of reasonableness is different for everyone.

I have no interest in cloud backup, or any other feature that incurs a cost to the dev. So why would I pay a subscription fee to "cover" those features?

If I like the app after sustained use, I might be willing to pay a one-time $8-$12 fee to remove ads/thank the dev/buy them a coffee

But I have zero interest in an ongoing subscription at this stage. There's just not enough value for me in spending that sort of money.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Hate subscription based models. I wouldnt mind paying one-off but until then sorry sync , I am FOSSing

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Actually the app just updated and has a one time purchase for removing ads now.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

fuck subs...onetime payment every time, but I won't pay a sub for an app for a service that is free...

I donate to the lemmy instances, but not an app!

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

YouTube Premium pays for Youtube itself and provides a higher payout to the content creators you watch. If you actually want to support the people you watch on Youtube Premium is the best option for that, premium views pay out sometimes 10x as much as ad revenue on videos. It's the best way to have a good experience and support the people you watch outside of giving them money directly.

Meanwhile, this is like paying some 3rd party website to scrape Youtube and make sure the people you watch don't see a penny. Since presumably if one of the servers like Lemmy.World breaks down and adds ad's to offset the astronomical server fees and growth, Sync would block them, if not they are doing a disservice to people who bought ad free.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No regional pricing.

I would never pay more then 10$ for a full game i could play for hundreds of hours, let alone 20$ to remove black rectangles from a free app.

sync ultra is just stupidly expensive.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Don't really care about any ultra features. Once one-time-pay ad removal is there, I'm getting it. Just like I had Sync Pro and Sync Ultra (if those aren't reinstated even). I will not do subscriptions.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Lots of entitlement here...

Saying someone makes enough in their day job so all their other contributions should be free is...wow.

I guess I'm one of the few that thinks all work should be compensated. Especially work I can't do myself or that I prefer over others.

And really, it's not up to me to say what that compensation should be. It's only my job to decide if the offer is acceptable to me for what I perceive is the benefit over other options.

Because there are other options. But I'm here because I don't want the other options. I would guess many others are, too.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Totally agree.. This person does a shit load of work building and maintaining an app, they sure as hell should get paid for it.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Prices are ridiculous, especially for returning users. The Lemmy app is basically the Reddit app. You can't convince me that at least 85% of the code was re-used from it. If you used the code from the app I already paid for (twice) I feel like I should get a discount.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Am I the only one who thinks that sync pro for reddit subscribers should have their one time purchase be honored/restored?

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Not with the overhaul required. That said, the asking price is too steep.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The devs time in rewriting and testing a whole new backend for Lemmy isn't free though.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I despise recurring fees, so no. $17 sounds good for a 1-time fee though.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe if it is better than boost's implementation. But at that price, especially on such a young platform, I'm certainly only buying one.

Sync might be in trouble if boost costs less while being on par with its previous reddit counterpart.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would be OK with paying to remove ads but the price (โ‚ฑ1100) is just too much for me.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

17 a year seems reasonable if it's an app you use daily. There are costs associated with making and maintaing app.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The dev of sync have to split the ads and subscription revenue with the instances. It would be fair like this. He donating 30% of the revenue to them. He is paid and he pays for the usage of the instances.

Youtube premium isn't the same. Youtube itself has huge server, storage, bandwidth cost and premium is paying for it. The cost of the app is a fraction of it.

On youtube, you have each second tons of new content. What I don't have inside the app. The content comes from the instances. The equivalent would be paying a subscription to the instances.

The creators receive a part of my subscription what isn't the case here.

With youtube premium, I have youtube music an additional service included.

In my opinion, the first point is the fairest. The dev splits the revenues with the instances. It would be nearer to the Youtube model.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I think the main issue is we don't know where Lemmy is one year from now. I have already started to see a decline in my usage because there simply isn't enough content. /c/football is virtually dead it feels like and it (or rather /r/soccer) was my number one subreddit.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Would rather donate my time or money to FOSS like Thunder. Service models aren't the way for me.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the cost is prohibitively high considering 99% of Reddit users have never used Lemmy before and have no idea how it works. There is a massive opportunity to soak up all those disolutioned redditors and a low entry price to kick things off over the next 6 to 12 months might have been a key way to achieve that. As it stands the cost is massive to a lot of people who will either use alternative apps or just won't even switch to Lemmy at all. You can't even submit your own posts yet. It's not prime time ready. I truly loved Sync for Reddit and have paid for Pro twice, and shown support to LJ, but I think this pricing level is a mistake.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is there not going to be a lifetime pro option?

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought pro back in 2013 I believe. And lifetime ultra once it came out that reddit was banning third party apps as support.

I'm not gonna do.a.subscription. I'm just not.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You're comparing a service that stores a gajillion gajillions of petabytes to sync?

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