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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

I'm simultaneously amused and appalled.

The amusement is from the Taliban being so sensitive they can't even allow a domain with 'queer' in the name to be associated with .af as if anyone anywhere outside maybe Afghanistan itself associates .af with Afghanistan.

The reason I'm appalled should be obvious.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

I have two .af domain names that got suspended as well. I don't even think they had a single DNS record set right now, but I had short-term plans for them. Oh well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Mastodon got shut down by the terror-dactyls...

I'll see myself out.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

as others have stated mastodon has no control over it

unfortunately countries own the domain names

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

The commenter made a prehistoric beast joke. I felt it was a bit antiquated myself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Firstly, the domain was seized, the instance remains though is effectively orphaned due to how instances work. You should change your title to “queer.af domain seized from mastodon instance by Taliban” to make things clearer.

Secondly, you seem to be under the impression there’s some sort of way around this? A TLD controlled by a foreign government (whether you like it or not) retook a domain. It’s similar to the US having control of .us or Canada having control of .ca.

So to make things fun, I’ll point out that yes, technically it is possible to “work around” the issue and keep the domain name. Notice I said, and stressed, the word “technically”. Because you likely have a better chance of Trump admitting to a crime and voluntarily going to jail than it happening.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Just move it to .sa, it should be fine.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

How tf did they seize it? isn’t mastodon instance federated? don’t the admins own it?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago

They seized the domain, .af is the Afghanistan ccTLD.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Mastodon comments say its because they were using the Afghanistan TLD of .AF

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Probably something to do with .af being the domain for Afghanistan. Wouldn't be the first country to seize something with their domain that they didn't like.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

From my limited knowledge of how lemmy works: The domain is integral to how it registers with the federation, as well as how an instance functions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's also the weakest link in the chain. Tlds for countries can get recalled by said country or you can fuck up and miss a renewal or someone can get into the account that holds the registration and point it elsewhere or even transfer it to another registrar.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

As a network admin dealing mostly with servers, routing, and VPNs, I mostly prefer statically addressed IPv4 as identifiers, but this also has issues as it's at the mercy of the ISP... luckily for me my network is only addressed internally over VPN, so all of the ~2000 hosts for which I am responsible reside on the 172.16.0.0/13 address space, where I am the dictator and BOFH.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that doesn't work for something like this. Not only are ipv4s in short supply, we have domains for a reason. You can point your domain at any ip and users will have no problem finding you.

I haven't dug into the way lemmy works so I am not sure how one would go about having multiple domains pointed at the same instance. I should probably get my geek on and run one for myself (not in the mood to deal with everything that comes from running one that has a more than just me and anyone I decide to let in. I would think that you could have multiple domains just like torrent trackers and get people to give you a way to notify them if/when they need to use queer.xyz to log in instead of queer.af for example.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I don't remember where I was going with the above, to be honest. Probably expressing my distain for DNS as an operational requirement instead of a convenient option.

I haven't dug deeply myself either, but I don't see why instances can't connect together dynamically, independent from address or hostname, instead using key exchange to authenticate. FQDN being such an integral part of the functionality is a huge liability

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

On a private network, ip or even your own made up domains will work fine. Dns isn't worse than ip and it's actually a better option. Not only are ipv4 in extremely short supply, you run multiple websites/services off the same ip because of the shortage and the world hasn't fully embraced 6 yet.

Imagine giving out a ipv6 address to users or hell,, putting even an ipv4 on a business card. I run my own livery and have a few domains around that, bookaride.vip looks better on a card than x.x.x.x.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

That's an example of an optional convenience, with which I have no problem.

Would any sensible person use DNS for accessing your site? Yes
When the amish take control of the .vip TLD in an effort to ban automotive transport, will you have to build the site up from scratch just because you give it a new domain? No.

I don't remember the details, but there was a post ago made by an instance admin who could no longer use the domain name he has built his lemmy instance around, and (according to the comments, at least) that basically meant that he had to scrap everything and start over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't know lemmy architecture well enough to say this with 100% certainty, but the reasoning is probably something along the lines of that every user is identified by email -like name such as [email protected], you'd need to rename each user to retain their posts and comments...
Then you need to somehow make other instances trust that you're who you claim to be, and they should overwrite the data as you say, to prevent conflicts or double comments from 2 different names.
Then you get to communities, fed/defed lists, what else

This would require some great engineering to solve rather stupid instance admin mistake...

You should threat TLD owner as a root of trust, and queer trusting Taliban sounds shit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You just lost all credibility here. If you think that the world could operate on ip alone, do us all a favor and stick to running private networks because the world has enough fuckery on the net as it is.

The amish are never going to take over .vip, not only because they loathe tech but because they have no claim on it and you lacking that understanding of how things works is why you lost all credibility here. Please stop posting.

You don't have to rebuild anything around a normal website if you lose or change domains. If lemmy/mastodon really requires anything more than some simple configuration changes and letting the users know how to access the instance, that's an issue that needs addressed. I wouldn't be surprised if it is possible to use multiple domains and then do like rarbg does and run multiple mirrors under a fixed base domain with the current alts listed for easy access.

It appears as though despite me being decades out of practice building and running my own servers and sites, I know more about this than you do. I'll repeat, do yourself a favor and stop trying to help.

You have a nice day now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
  1. When did I claim that the world could run fine without DNS? Before reading between the lines, make sure you read the actual lines

  2. Dude, learn to stop taking everything so seriously. You must either be an abnormally techy amish who got offended, or someone who do not understand the concept of examples.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Dns also allows the sites and services to verify against trusted 3rd party to prove they're who they claim to be. Also shit like CDN and whatnot