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I have seen in many US shows where they portray guys who are living with parents as losers, or there are jokes or memes about it, I never get it.

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[-] [email protected] 116 points 5 months ago

Implication is that you're incapable of being self sufficient.

Too broke to move out, your parents still cook for you / do your laundry, can't bring a girl home without your parents hearing you get it on, etc.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Implication is that you're incapable of being self sufficient.

Holdover stereotype from when living on your own with a service job was realistically doable. Which just flat out is not the case in most cities now.

Although not wanting your parents hear you bang is totally fair.

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[-] [email protected] 95 points 5 months ago

Traditionally, being self sufficient enough to move out of your parents house and live on your own was considered a major, basic, and early benchmark of growing up, adulthood, and success. Sort of like taking your first steps, it was just considered a "bare minimum" benchmark.

That impression, the idea of moving out on your own being the bare minimum start to being a successful adult, has not kept up with the modern age and the economy we've grown up in. The idea that anyone should be able to move out on their own came about in an age when a single adult working a basic job full time could afford a house and support a family on their income alone. That just is not even close to the case now, but some societal memes take longer to change than others.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

It's this. This is the eloquent and succinct answer OP. No an upvote wouldn't have been enough.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

I've been looking for rentals lately. Every inspection has dozens upon dozens of people show up. Rental vacancies are at a tiny fraction of a percent. No landlord will take someone if the rent will cost more than 30% of their income. To qualify for a studio apartment it takes almost double the median wage.

I hate it so much. I've budgeted so that I know I can afford these places on my income, I have a significant pile of savings and a stable job. I have been looking for a place for six months and been rejected from them all.

I've given up. Even if I could get a place it'd be cheaper to pay a fucking mortgage.

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[-] [email protected] 82 points 5 months ago

It isn't anymore. That's dead.

It was, like 25 years ago. Well, maybe 15 years ago.

Pre-2007.

Because back then people were making good money out of college, and they were able to buy a house for themselves. Shit, they didn't even need to go to college. As long as you were working hard before 2007, and you were going to be able to find a down payment on a house as long as you didn't have some kind of financial affliction.

That's not to say that gen X had it easy as compared to those before them, but there's a clear separation.

Millennials tried their hardest not to live at home, just because of the social stigma.

Gen Z is feeling that stigma less. That's why you're probably here questioning why it's even a thing. You're probably Gen Z.

Jen alpha won't see it as strange.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago

I really hope the stigma goes away because unless the world economy improves, a lot of people will have to stay with parents until a lot later in life.

It is a cultural thing though. It's not an issue at all in most of SE Asia.

[-] [email protected] 62 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Because it used to be a sign that someone was unsuccessful or “lazy”. Now it just means the housing market is absolute dog shit, and people making 200k a year still can’t afford to buy a house near their work.

Multi-generational households have been the most common form of familial living arrangements in human history, so, take that as you will.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago

For 58 years young people had enough income to support themselves fine, so living with your parents was due to either fear of being out on your own, laziness, or another dependency. All unattractive qualities.

[-] scoobford 49 points 5 months ago

In the US, wages were high enough that you could afford rent and a decent living as an unskilled laborer until fairly recently.

Also, if you lived with your parents you could not fuck. Even if your parents were not religious, it was a social value and they probably weren't cool with it. And your date probably wasn't cool with it wither, because it was weird.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago

The idea that if you're still living at home that your parents are still taking care of you. That they still make your food, do you laundry, pay your bills, etc. there is also a stereotype that you're emotionally stunted since you haven't moved out and had to take care of yourself. This is often summarized in the neck beard living in his parents basement meme.

I'm not saying this is true, but that's the idea.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Thats what they sell you, the real reason is that people living with their parents are not spending money in the house market.

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I assume you are American, and probably not Hispanic?

Because these assumptions are extremely cultural.

Anyways, for white Americans "Self-sufficiency" (or Self-reliance as Ralph Waldo Emmerson called an extreme version of it) is an old Puritan value, like hardwork and lifelong monogamy.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Don't know why you're getting downvoted. You're not off base. My family is Hispanic and my mom would love it if I lived with her till I'm 40.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago

It suggests they can't afford to pay rent. It's an old stereotype that is kind of redundant nowadays since (a) most people renting can't afford it anymore and (b) different cultures are way more accepting and even encouraged living with your family. Most people understand that now.

You still here the saying buts it's more about NEETs taking advantage of family rather than being smart

[-] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago

So i started living back with my mom when i was in my late 20s, i lost a 70k job due to bullshit. Then i got back to working hoping to move out..... and..... covid hit..... i was laid off after a year, and i just havent got back to working. I live with my mom who is disabled and in very bad health over conditions i dont know how to spell. Then i got a dui after my old boss died, i wasnt even driving just sitting in the car drunk by a lake. So now i cant drive for another couple years and am finding it hard to work some whete close that i can get a ride that also doesnt make me be around a shit ton of people who i might get sick from and then bring it back to my mother.

No i didnt answer your question, but i tried to outline the why of someone living back with their parents.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Somehow this became a cultural thing in the US. In some other countries like in South America it’s perfectly normal for 3-4 generations to live under 1 roof.

My guess is it’s tied to making people spend more money for capitalism. The effect it’s had on families is not very positive. It leads to things like elderly people draining thousands from their savings or family members a month for nursing homes. People have to hire child care when otherwise family members could watch a child. Children grow up with more distance from older relatives. Buying additional homes and cars is way more expensive than sharing them. Additional cable and utility bills. More appliances. More food waste.

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ok this is a super fascinating intersection of American social history

So the first thing you have to always keep in mind when thinking about Americans and their behavior is that the country was founded by people so absurdly religious that the British kicked them out. Then, along with some wealthy land owners, they said "fuck off" right back to the crown, declared "no take-backs", and went on about 100 years of aggressive westward expansion.

If you're not familiar with the phrase "manifest destiny" it's worth looking up. It's fundamental to American society

Fast forward a bit to post-WWII and the economic boom of the time. "The American Dream" - and the promise to our returning soldiers - was owning your own house with a yard, wife, kids, dog, and a car. And given our history, and the return of thousands and thousands of young men from the war, that kinda became the measuring stick of basic success: moving out.

And of course since America is the land of opportunity, if you can't do even that much, you've only got yourself to blame /s

We all know the meme of "striking out on your own" as a symbol of maturity. This is just what happens when "striking out on your own" becomes a cultural identity

[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

I'm 23 and still living with my dad. Why wouldn't I take the deal to have no rent while I work full time at a decent job so I can pay off my student loans? Sounds stupid to move out at least for me right now

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[-] Sensitivezombie 23 points 5 months ago

It comes from the Individualism ideology that Western culture holds dear. Americans just hold it tighter. It can be argued that the cause of this is American capitalism, which has greater focus on measuring success by one's ability to consume (can you afford it, how much can you afford, are you self-reliant, your ability to consume more and better than you did last year).

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

My parents passed away a while ago and I think living in a cemetery isn't allowed.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Because then you can't yodel while fucking your girlfriend/boyfriend.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

This is one reason "love hotels" are a thing in Japan where multi-generational living and/or thin walls are very common.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

It depends on your age. Living with your parents at 10 is different than 20 and is different than 40.

Ever since I was older than 25 or so, if I was going to go on a date with someone, if they lived with their parents that's a huge complication. How're we going to fuck? What if their parents don't have good boundaries? How can I gauge if they know how to be an adult? Like, what if their mom still does their laundry and they don't know how to take care of themselves?

It's a proxy measurement for independence and being able to take care of themselves.

It's a little different if they're taking care of their parents. Still not great, but doesn't have the "Do they even know how to take care of themselves?" problems.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

In Finland it's very easy to move on your own because the government will basically pay your living costs if you don't have any money. So very few people live with their parents past 20 years.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Mainly the push for a false family narrative called the 'Nuclear Family', which was idolized since the 60s as a pop psych experiment that has obviously failed.

Some claim it was deliberate to prop up the nursing home industry and to force middle class families into poverty by making it less likely they pool their resources.

Some claim it was a marketing move, as 'nuclear family' homes are significantly less happy per capita than homes with 3 generations living under one roof. Happy people buy less shit to make them happy.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

There are bootstraps you haven't appropriately pulled up if you live at home.

The more legitimate reason is that there's a school of thought that you can't become a fully-fledged, independent adult without putting some distance between youself and the folks that raised you. There's a difference between someone who never left home and is content to just stay in the status quo, vs an adult who maybe went to off to college or was away from home for some period of time while working that has had to come back due to challenging circumstances and doesn't plan to stay longer than they need to. Obviously, the stereotype is of the former and not the latter.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Because they're racist cult members and visits are awkward enough let alone living there. Might just be me tho

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

If you’re in an East Asian culture, it’s not.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

They're seen as not progressing through the expected stages of american life. It comes off as a refusal to grow up but obviously that's not always the case.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

This dates back to when buying a house in your twenties wasn’t a crazy idea out of a science fiction novel.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Makes things awkward when you want to bring a lady back to your place.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Historical cultural difference between the US and other countries. Although it is less prevalent now, it was expected for a male to be on his own and "leave the nest" as soon as they graduated high school, with college being that transition point if an education was pursued.

The old America where you left home as soon as you could and built your own life with hard work and skill is long gone, but the trope and the expectations are still there.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

If you want to get to the heart of a terrible practice or belief, look at who is pushing it (not simply buying it) and who is benefiting. This is a very recent idea (like, you might still be able to find a grandma who was raised before that stupid shit took off) pushed to keep people poor and generally weaker than they otherwise would be. If you've got multiple generations, or even families, living together they have far more breathing room economically.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Probably because so many parents suck.

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