MajinBlayze

Here I thought you were going to bring up the "I'm not a cat" guy

I definitely won't go into it in details for obvious reasons, it's mostly management failing to negotiate in good faith, just trying to say while I've plenty of personal reason to have beef with him, but really appreciate what he has to say

Yeah, ok, that sucks. Oregon should still try to make actual polling locations available for people who need (or want) it.

I still don't think that that's a reason to abandon vote by mail altogether. The accessibility of it reduces the impact of other voting problems we have in the us overall.

I'm still going to push back hard on the idea that the system has to be 100% perfect. So long as humans are involved, that simply isn't possible.

There are always going to be tradeoffs.

~~I don't think he implicitly endorced anyone either~~

Reading comprehension fail on my part

I recommend actually listening to the speech, he was very much not playing both sides

Honestly, as someone who lost their job, in part, thanks to Sean O'Brien, I really applauded his speech to the RNC. It was great.

You're correct, I should have been more thorough.

Here's one of the sources cited by that Wikipedia article:

Mostly-Mail Elections (aka Vote-by-Mail, All-Mail or Vote-at-Home Elections) What Are Mostly-Mail Elections? In mostly-mail elections, all registered voters are sent a ballot through the mail. The voter marks the ballot, puts it in a secrecy sleeve or envelope if required, places it in a separate mailing envelope, signs an affidavit on the exterior of the mailing envelope or otherwise provides verification of their identify and then returns the ballot via mail or by dropping it off at an approved return location.

Ballots are mailed out well ahead of Election Day, and thus voters have an “election period,” not just a single day, to vote. Mostly-mail elections can be thought of as absentee voting for everyone. This system is also referred to as “vote-by-mail” or all-mail ballot elections. While “mostly-mail elections” means that every registered voter receives a ballot by mail, this does not preclude in-person voting opportunities on or before Election Day. For example, even though all registered voters in Colorado are mailed a ballot, voters can choose instead to cast a ballot at an in-person vote center during the early voting period or on Election Day.

According to this, "All mail elections" are not different from "mostly mail" elections, and doesn't preclude the use of in person voting.

Also

systems should make doing the wrong thing impossible

Please no, imo that's an incredibly fucked line of reasoning

From the article you linked

As of 2022, California mails every registered voter a ballot before the elections, but there is still the option to vote in-person

Can't have salads because they could be used for voter coercion?

does that mean we shouldn't have phones or that tracking apps should be restricted?

It is not my intent to equate "x has problem y" with "x should not exist" very good systems can and do get abused and misused.

There's a reason I started my comment with

Mail-in voting is objectively a good thing

All I'm saying is that maybe there should be a way for people to go back and override their votes (which admittedly could probably also be abused in some situations), or better yet, just better social safety nets to help people get out of those situations. I'm not suggesting I have all of the answers, just acknowledging that the person at the top of the thread raises a valid, if possibly overstated, concern.

Just going to preface this by saying that I absolutely do support vote by mail, it's objectively a good thing

However, there's a problem that should be considered in that it can create opportunities for coerced voting either within a household, or by requiring someone to send a photo of their form.

The former being more of a problem than the later

Seems desperate; can't wait