So once again it is basically a premature announcement; since all of those features already available, already exists in the ordinary Proton Business plan ... As none of them are basically Pass specific.
And the difference then between "ordinary" Pass and business "Pass" is zero .... Both have unlimited vaults and 2FA in the more costly plans.
What is the difference between Proton Pass for business vs ordinary Proton Pass?
To me it looks like "same sh*t, new wrapping".
Uhm ... ever heard of Computer Science at universities and such?
Just one quick example:
https://www.eecs.mit.edu/research/computer-science/
So I spent a little bit time to dig up what Notion is.
This is what I found when searching for it ... https://www.notion.so/about
And I honestly have no idea why Skiff would be interesting for Notion. From what I can grasp the only Notion features overlap are Skiff Pages and perhaps Skiff Calendar. It's so off I struggle to fully grasp this.
First of all, Notion is not a service talking about privacy at all, afaict. And that was one of the main arguments Skiff had.
And then the first thing this merges states is that Skiff services are closing down.
I hate to say this, but Skiff founders couldn't really have cared that much about privacy then, when they chose to close down so quickly and abruptly like that, without a continuation plan on bringing privacy to Notion.
I believe the Skiff founders, if they really cared strongly about privacy, realised their service was not sustainable in a longer run, with too high running cost and too low income. In addition they might have seen that they would need to invest a lot more into further development and that it was too hard to improve their revenue stream. So the alternative was either to go down with a bang (bankruptcy), or they could sell "something" to another company and make it sound nicer.
Right now I just wonder what Skiff managed to actually sell to Notion. Most likely manpower, if I should guess.
Tuta seems to be driven by idealists and privacy activists as well. AFAIK, they also don't have venture capital and their user base of paying users is what keeps them alive. Which is also why it's still a small company.
I don't recall how Tuta got their initial funding to get startet. I don't think they were crowdfunded in the same way Proton did.
But the idealsism goals of both Tuta and Proton is what generally makes it less likely they will sell out.
AFAIR, Skiff was VC funded. The idealism of the founders are easily ignored when the VC backing wants to cash in on their investments. And that's what happened here, in some way or another.
Proton and Tuta has similar challenges most others don't care about (including FastMail) - End to End Encryption. That itself is a pretty hard nut to crack. FastMail and similar services don't need to think about that, which makes their services simpler.
I would also not claim that Tuta has a quicker development cycle. They had a round recently where more features were highlighted. But that's an exception. I've had a Tuta account for years as well, to test it out, and both the webmail and Android app is still not that feature rich.
And Proton delivers new features and updated apps quite regularly now compared to just a few years ago. Can it be better? Yes, of course. But still, they are doing alot than just 2-3 years ago. And 2-3 years was even better than the years before that.
Also consider that Proton delivers on a broad range of products and services. Mail, Calendar, Drive, Pass and VPN. Tuta basically has Mail and Calendar, where both of these Tuta services being fairly reduced in features still.
My experience (mostly using Mail and a little bit Drive these days) is that Protons releaes are also pretty solid. It's extremely seldom I'm hit by bugs these days. To have that kind of quality requires quite some QA efforts. I'm not claiming the other services are equally good, but Mail and Drive is now very stable - and Mail is especially crucial for my 15-20+ users abd myself.
Finally, Proton serves more than 100 million users by now. Tuta has reached a bit over 10 million, IIRC. That requires Proton to have more staff on support and operations tasks. So even if Proton has more than 400 employees, that's not 400 developers.
I need to look at that video (thx for the time marker). So my comment may miss his point.
If Linux is so hard, I wonder how Tresorit manages it quite nicely across multiple distros. They use fuse to mount the remote repository.
And the file attributes on files/dirs have a standardised API via libc and kernel syscalls. This is needed for the sync capabilities, to have data locally and in Drive. These APIs are identical across all distributions and are file system agnostic. Otherwise the tar command would have had a really hard challenge to be so widely useful for both file distribution as well as backups.
But I'll catch up on the video later.
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A while ago, I summarised my mailbox.org impression ... https://infosec.exchange/@dazo/111453908525787194
TL;DR ... Proton is way ahead of most competitors in overall user experience and ease of use, and yet providing a pretty good feature set.
I thought a bit more on these complaints since this post. And I realised these complaints can also be ignored by applying some basic mathematics and common sense.
Proton has more than 100 million users by now. So let's say 100 million in this example. How many public complaints would it need to be from these users to really "catch fire"? Meaning - how often do you read about complaints and from how many users? More than 100.000 users? Okay. Let's say there are 1 million dissatisfied users.
If half of that million users complained loudly on the Internet, I would say that would probably be quite noticeable. Media would most likely pick it up, and it would brew up to media storm right?
Have you noticed anything like that? Do you see that many users complaining?
And if yes, that would still only represent 0.5% of the whole user base of Proton. If you include the other half complaining "silently", it would represent 1% of the Proton users.
That still leaves 99% users which are at least to some degree satisfied with Proton.
Even if you pull it up to 20 million dissatisfied users, they would still be in the minority compared to users finding Proton's services being just fine. And 20 million dissatisfied users - that would definitely have caused some media traction, don't you think?
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