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Remember when the war was supposed to end when all the hostages were released?

I wonder what all the people who told me that the objective of this war was to free the hostages are going to tell me now?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For anyone interested, Wikipedia has a page on the current hostage situation and some history.

According to Wikipedia, one of the "deals" Hamas has offered Israel was that Isreal release all Palestinian prisoners. That would be thousands of prisoners in exchange for hostages Hamas took on the 7th of October.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Why are you using prisoners for one and hostages for the other?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

From the Wikipedia page I linked to:

Hamas has offered to release all hostages in exchange for Israel releasing all Palestinian prisoners.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's the Wikipedia bias. The vast majority of pages are written and maintained by a small number of people with a Western Centrist perspective, which tends to be more conservative. You start to notice it more once you see it for the first time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Is Khalil al-Hayya, senior Hamas official also tainted by western bias?

From Al Jazeera (also western bias?):

Khalil al-Hayya, a member of the group’s political bureau, said that Hamas “is serious about releasing Israeli captives within the framework of an agreement” that also ensures the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

So to summarize: The Palestinian prisoners are referred to as prisoners by Hamas. The non combatants taken hostage by Hamas are not referred to as prisoners by Hamas.

Whether you think the terrorist organisation Hamas are tainted by western bias or not is a different discussion that I'm not interested in taking part in.

Have a nice evening. I will.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is it ok to quote Khalil al-Hayya, senior Hamas official ?

From Al Jazeera:

Khalil al-Hayya, a member of the group’s political bureau, said that Hamas “is serious about releasing Israeli captives within the framework of an agreement” that also ensures the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

So to summarize: The Palestinian prisoners are referred to as prisoners by Hamas. The non combatants taken hostage by Hamas are not referred to as prisoners by Hamas.

Whether you think the terrorist organisation Hamas are paid off by Isreal or not is a different discussion that I'm not interested in taking part in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The different is semantics

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

One group are prisoners and one group are hostages

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

The difference is due to the military control Israel has over the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Palestinians are tried in a military court with no civil rights or representation, tortured into false confessions, and incarcerated with routine torture, sexual abuse, and denial of basic medical care. That includes hundreds if not thousands of children.

Palestinians denied civil rights (HRW) including Military Court (B'TSelem)

Palestinian Prisoners in Israel including Child abuse - Save The Children

Torture and Abuse in Interrogations - B'TSelem

Thousands of Palestinians are held without charge under Israeli detention policy - NPR

Urgently investigate inhumane treatment and enforced disappearance of Palestinians detainees from Gaza - Amnesty

Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

Which one 3 week old sockpuppet account?