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[–] [email protected] 117 points 5 months ago (7 children)

anyone that tries to say star trek has "gone woke" or some stupid shit like that clearly isn't a fan of it and just trying to rile up stuff. I mean come on... how can someone say that and have watched the shows LOL

[–] [email protected] 78 points 5 months ago (21 children)

Yeah, its not like Star Trek suddenly went woke, its been woke. First ever TV kiss between mixed races was between Kirk and Uhura. Scandalous.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (4 children)

That's actually a common misconception. Not to downplay the significance of what Shatner and Nichols pulled off to get around the various censors (ruining alternate takes and such), but many TV shows did it before Star Trek.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_interracial_kiss_on_television

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Shatner is on that list multiple times. That man had an agenda.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

He likes his coffee how he likes his women.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

easily within reach?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Ground up in a bag in the freezer?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think it was the first one that was both broadcast nationally in a primetime slot and where the actors were easily identifiable as having different ethnicities on a tiny TV screen. Would explain the misconception.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

I think it certainly was the most noticeable of anything shown on American TV at that point. But the British had us beat by years.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Late 30s here- it blows my mind that we don't have to look very far into that past for the Shatner/Nichols smooch to be remarkable.

It's uplifting to me. This present world can be ugly, but it's comforting to think that the kiss is almost mundane when compared to the present.

A win is a win!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I stand corrected! Thanks for the info, I've believed that since 7th grade when I first learned of it from one of my teachers who was a massive Trekkie.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

It's literally like 80% of the show's concept. The idea was to hide morality plays behind wacky alien makeup.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention the first black woman officer and the first black/white kiss.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

the first black/white kiss.

...in a drama series. This was the first:

That's Lynn Fontanne kissing Sammy Davis, Jr. at the 1965 Emmys.

As far as the first interracial kiss, that does have a star trek connection- Desi kissing Lu in 1951.

On top of that, Shatner himsellf kissed France Nuyen on the Ed Sullivan show in 1958.

https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2019/09/11/not-the-first-interracial-kiss-on-tv/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

And of course it shall always be the first kiss between a black woman and a white man in space on tv.

I cracked up a bit at this. That was a great write up, I didn't know before about Desilu's involvement in making that kiss happen and their earlier milestone, that's quite cool.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Specifically why I said black/white. and peck on the cheek isn't consider a "kiss" by most people. (although it probably caused a stir). This was also right in the middle of the black civil rights movement which made it that much more risky.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Okay then, you'll have to go with Sammy again and Nancy Sinatra:

That would have been in 1967. Plato's Stepchildren was a year later.

On top of that, you have to further specify that this is only on American TV, because Gordon Heath kissed Rosemary Harris in a production of Othello on the BBC in 1955.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Holy shit my boy Shatner they're both so beautiful 😍

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Duet and Drumhead hit so hard. Incredible writing, phenomenal acting. I miss that in Star Trek.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

I mean compared to TOS it's gotten woke, but TOS was like extremely woke for the 60s

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