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The brain is a material organ that has some amount of control over the rest of your body. If that organ believes a certain thing, it is not supernatural or spiritual for that to have a material effect on your body.
Edit: Misread your reply.
I agree. It doesn't provide any proof. Speculater was asking for a definition of a spiritual explanation and I was just giving an example.
Spiritual means different things to different people, and they're right, I think a lot of these kinds of discussions would go a lot better with some baseline definitions.
That being said... Virtually 100% of the time, I'll go with scientific consensus. My entire argument is that we've swung pretty far into physical science when I think there's an entire realm of understanding that we're leaving generally untapped because we can't make a graph out of it (yet)
Why? Because people do horrific shit in the name of god? People do horrific shit in the name of science, too.
Atheists go on about proof of everything, yet any time I ask for proof that some type of "god" doesn't exist I get the burden of proof line.
...my position is that it's unknown. The burden of proof isn't on me.
I asked you to define the term to highlight that what you're referring to is untestable and as you pointed out unmeasurable.
I think very few reasonable people will say, "God absolutely doesn't exist." Because that's an untestable claim, but I do think most atheists feel strongly that there's insufficient evidence that a god should exist.
I'm not suggesting you apply the scientific method to spirituality, though. I'm suggesting that Cause can be unmeasurable. If we can do that, it opens up possibilities for new understanding.
I think the material world can only be half explained by modern physics. (I have a few reasons for coming to this conclusion, which I'll share if you care to hear them. It's hard for me to type out, I can explain myself better in speech, if that makes sense.)
And that's fair. But it's always going to have that margin of error until it doesn't, it has been my actual, lived experience online that you can bet on an Atheist to be a complete dick to anyone even hinting to a supernatural belief. (Look at these comments.) You (generally speaking) don't get to go around being a giant dick to the "other team" like that with any margin of error.
I genuinely feel that we aren't going to science ourselves into the Star Trek future. Corruptibility is Humanities Achilles Heel, and I don't see how we science our way out of that.