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The class war is a war like any other, and most wars I know of were won by having a clear plan of battle and strong leadership.
A strong leadership is one that is built from the bottom up.
A strong leadership is one that is built from the
This doesn't in any way contradict the previous statement, what are you trying to say?
but which/whose plan is the right one?
and how do you mediate between those with different plans who are all convinced that they are correct?
these are the real questions.
Easy, the one that has the most W’s under its belt and is best adapted to the situation.
and here we run into the same problem again
No we haven’t. Filtered.
what counts as a win will be scored differently by each geoup with a different plan.
Seizing power and building a new society under your type of government is a win. Everything else is a means to that end
Congratulations, you quoted... a different part of your comment from the one I quoted? This is the kind of behavior I'd expect to see on Reddit.
The one "best adapted to the situation" is subjective.
The plan that best furthers the interests of the proletarian class and advances us the most towards seizing power
people disagree on what that is. duh. thats what I’m saying.
It becomes evident during struggle what one’s are the most advanced. You use results to determine this. The most advanced proletarian movements in history are the USSR and other AES. They achieved the most power. Once another plan and type of communism gets further than that, they will become the default
Reported for sectarianism, true western anarchists know that planning is the first stage of Stalinism
You have elections, like most communist groups do.
The science of revolution. It's a process. A dialectic process. A means of understanding society through action and changing it through understanding. It's like asking which is the right explanation for things, physics or chemistry? Biology or mathematics? They're all different tools to tackle different problems in the attempt to understand the universe.
Which experimental outcomes line up with reality? Those who achieved revolution. We know some plans worked in their context and some didn't. We can formulate plans of our own for our own context. Those that lead to revolution are the right ones. Those that just lead to navel-gazing and academic debates are not correct.
that will be fought over because there is not hindsight for what hasn't happened yet. obviously.