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[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I dont think the people in charge care about winning or losing and I think actually purposefully losing might be part of the strategy sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There are too many minor players with career aspirations on the line for "losing on purpose" to make any sense. What we're seeing is:

  1. No one is "the people in charge." We keep having these stories about how Biden only wants yes-men around, and there's no party mechanism that can force a sitting president to resign or drop out, even in an egregious situation like this. We have an imperial executive who's too senile to be competent, but who can still shout down minions who attempt to steer him.
  2. The movers and shakers in the Democratic Party want to win -- hence the panic this morning when Biden’s ineptitude is impossible to keep ignoring -- but are too up their own asses to do a decent job of it. Believing their own bullshit is how they ignored this situation this long in the first place, is how they think you can fight fascism in the voting booth, etc.
[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess im more conspiracy brained than i thought

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It could be more that they want to win but the tools they could use to win are "out of bounds". They do want to win, but they have to win somehow while giving us nothing since the donors that brought them there will remove their power to do anything the moment they go against their will.

It's not that there's a conspiracy or anything, it's a simple reason that you already know: the democratic process is thoroughly and completely bought by corporate private interests to the point that it can only work for them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

they want to win but the tools they could use to win are "out of bounds"

Makes complete sense. Medicare for All is incredibly popular, and a serious push for it would win a lot of votes, but they can't do it because it's not friendly to capital.