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Why I should support Taiwan and Tibet? (lemmygrad.ml)

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u/ButtigiegMineralMap - originally from r/GenZhou
I’m learning a lot about Marxism recently and this Donetsk and Luhansk situation has made me think more about Seperatists. I’m not pro-taiwan, not pro-HK, not pro-tibet, I’m mostly pro-China, but I don’t have a good understanding of the area and there’s sooo much history in the region. Basically TL;DR, why should I primarily be against these Separatists if I would be pro-Donetsk,Luhansk, thanks. Btw I’ll make it clear I’m not for taiwan or tibet as the title might suggest, that may look confusing

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

u/aimixin - originally from r/GenZhou

You have anything to back that up?

I just did. Tibet doesn't even have de facto independence like Taiwan has, meaning it does not have a regime to brainwash them to hate China from the top-down for decades. The idea they would have a larger independence movement is obviously absurd.

Is that why the Chinese need to keep a militant and authoritative presense against Tibetans?

So you support the liberation of New York from the militant NYPD regime?

It's sort of hard to find groups in Tibet since it's banned to even think of such things in Tibet. But I guess those protests and riots since the 200o's mean nothing.

Are you saying protests were legal up until the 2000s then made illegal after? Genuine question. Maybe I missed this.

Oh and the self immolation that happend a few days ago.

Some random guy sets himself on fire and now the whole territory needs to become an independent country? lmao, you're quite the comedian.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

u/aimixin - originally from r/GenZhou

No you didn't. You just made an assumption without any backing to it.

lmao the cope is strong, can't respond to arguments so you just pretend they don't exist.

Of course not, as China invaded and annexed Tibet.

Do you believe Abraham Lincoln invaded and annexed the Confederate States of America? The comparison has a lot of similarities.

Both were never legally recognized as independent.
Both existed as de facto independent for only a very short period of time during a civil war.
Both had a slave-based systems.

It doesn't need one. China does it for them.

You realize you saying this just backs up my claim, right?

Larger than who? To say there would be a small movement in Tibet, is the absurd claim.

Then show evidence of it. You literally just stated that you believe the PRC is "brainwashing" them, yet you want me to believe that Tibet has a larger independence movement than Taiwan? lmao

The NYPD doesn't oppress New Yorkers. Militant doesn't equal oppressive.

"it's only militant and oppressive when Asians have police"

mask off

Nope, jsut an arbitrary date.

Yet you stated that the lack of protests is because it is banned yet then point to 2000s protests. Contradicting yourself.

But we can talk about how China had to close off Tibet in the late 80's and had to cancel the last fact finding mission of the Dalai Lama because it caused too much Tibetan nationalism and Tibetans started to revolt. As one Chinese general stated, "20 years of progress was wasted in days".

Source?

Of course not, there's been more than 120.

Based. Let the far-right nationalists burn themselves to death.

Most people aren't willing to set themselves on fire. Given that Tibetans aren't allowed to speak out, write about, or organize any such protests; this is a dramatic way to do such.

For gullible simpletons who see "extreme" and think "that must mean it's correct" lmao. Next you'll be saying we should support ISIS because "most people aren't willing to blow themselves up."

You're hilarious man. Keep going. Great comedy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

u/Professional-Way1833 - originally from r/GenZhou
Here's the thing. You are just making claims.

No evidence.

You ignore what Tibet was like pre-liberation. Not greatly different from the confederate south in terms of slavery.

All your points are standard CIA talking points levelled against the enemies of US empire, and yet you do not reflect at all.

You also do not reflect when reminded about the more oppressive practices of US cops.

And you go on about intangibles like freedom, but IGNORE concrete material gains, like a MASSIVE rise in the standard of living, life expectancy, medical care, education etc.

Freedom to do what? Freedom FROM what?

You insist that Tibetans are oppressed, but your sources are 'trust me bro.'

You make claims of torture and oppression, but you can't back any of them.

You discount infrastructure, but that infrastructure DISPROVES your stance.

To oppress a people, you don't need to build an infrastructure. Simply fail to do so, and they will be oppressed.

You oppress a people to exploit them. To take their land, to exploit their labour.

And yet this is not only NOT being done, vast sums are spent on infrastructure to improve lives.

You do not do that if you want to gain wealth from a people.

That's a loss.

You are just wrong on every level.