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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

And that if we want to win over those who aren’t yet ready to support our candidates, we need to listen to their concerns and maybe learn something in the process. "

This take the high road attitude can fuck right off when the other side's concerns are irrational racist hatemongering bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

The high road only works when your opponent as a sense of shame and the capacity to self-reflect, even a little bit.

MAGA has neither. The few republicans that still do, the few who are still the adults in the room, have already pledged for Harris. Any of them who haven't by now are lost causes addicted to Trumps tit milk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I totally agree with both of you that once you see the person's true colors, there's no point in continuing. The point was, how can you know what the person is thinking without actually interacting and finding out their real problems? And perhaps introducing some solutions or directions that, without the labels of socialism or communism, are appealing to them.

If we paint all conservatives with the same brush, we alienate the few (or maybe not as few as we think) to never consider something different. How many times is it said that much of their information comes from just a single source like Fox News? Let's give them something else to consider before we blast them all as hopeless. As shown, there are those who have heard the message and seen the true Trump in reality who have flipped, but they only did so because someone helped them realize their echo chamber was just that and all lies. They'd still be Trump supporters if someone didn't open their eyes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If we paint all conservatives with the same brush, we alienate the few (or maybe not as few as we think) to never consider something different.

You're preaching to the choir on that point. In fact I got positively roasted a while back for saying essentially the same thing.

The only thing I would say is that I was referring specifically to voters themselves; those conservative leaning non-voters that may not see themselves in the current republican party.

Incidentally, its a belief that was validated by the addition of Tim Walz to the ticket since that's exactly what his presence is meant to do.

But once those conservatives identify as not just conservatives, but as republicans, there is very little hope in changing their mind unless they're already predisposed to having it changed.

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